Fix Rogue Talent Trees

There are few problematic/weak talents in the rogue talent trees:

Subtlety
Heightened Senses: Increases your stealth detection and reduces the chance you are hit by spells and ranged attacks.

The stealth detection part is problematic, because it makes all other rogue talent trees weaker options to spec into because when rogues do not put points in this talent, they will lose the stealth war and thus are at a significant disadvantage against rogues who have put points into Heightened Senses.

Solution: Remove stealth detection from heightened senses and replace it with something less game breaking. Other solution could be to change the location of this talent to tier 0 - 2 so that other specs would have easier access to this talent.

Assassination
Deadened Nerves: Decreases physical damage taken by 1/2/3/4/5%.

Overall this talent is too weak to put points in. The only reason why any rogue would go this high into Assassination is to spec Mutilate for high damage output. However, in order to have points to put in Deadened Nerves, the rogue would have to compromise on some damage talents, which is not an option due to how weak this talent is.

Solution: Buff the existing effect with -1/-2/-3/-4/-5% critical strike chance or replace it with something more useful over all from mutilate perspective.

Combat
Blade Twisting: Gives your Sinister Strike, Backstab, Gouge and Shiv abilities 10/20% chance to daze the target for 8 seconds.

The talent chance to proc is weak at best. Sinister Strike, Shiv, Gouge and Backstab all cost +30 energy and it takes minimum 4 seconds to regenerate the energy back form these abilities. In other words, this ability procs about once per 20 seconds of combat, which makes it too unreliable talent to rely on for slows.

Solutions: Increase proc chance some way or introduce additional effect to the talent. For example, damage increased vs. dazed targets 5/10%.

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Are you unironically asking for the by far most overpowered class in the game to get buffed

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Contributing in forums in an attempt to make game better. And removing stealth detection bonus from a talent is actually a nerf. Not that it matters though, you seem to have a weird obsession over me and it if it wasn’t that, you would think about something else to complain about, because that’s all you do.

Good luck.

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Buffing rogues would not make the game better

Barely since it’s mostly just good vs other rogues, and moving it to an earlier tier would be an insane buff

Project much?

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I smell salty tears.

Yes.

Not my personality trait.

I hope you have enjoyed this last message I wrote to you.

Reported for trolling. Buffing the classs that makes up ~50% of all top arena participants. No sane person would suggeat this unironically.

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There’s the issue, Beyondo isn’t sane.

I think Beyondo is secretly an Innerskky alt / separate personality and he just flips a coin before deciding on which method to troll / waste everybody’s time with.

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Wait… this feels like buffs to Rogue lol… nahh… cant be :o

Ah, trolling ok.

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Don’t let them get under your skin Bondo.
Well written thread, expresses his problems and gives solutions.
Are they good ideas? Not really.
Is there reason to hate Bondo for that? Not really.
Cba to dig and backtrack and check all his previous posts but from what I’ve seen from Bondo he’s more mature and less of a troll than the ppl calling him out for it.

Just wanted to post this, I hate injustice and people acting like they’re better than the next guy.

Am I being epicly trolled? Maybe, I’m not gonna cry over ‘wasted time’ if I clicked his thread myself though.

Rogue tears :crying_cat_face:… sweet.

And again the usual suspects shed rivers of tears over rogue talents that almost no rogues put talent points in.

The idea behind this post was to make other specs more viable options to spec into as a rogue. Almost every rogue is Shadowstep because it is by far the most effective PvP build. Would think people would welcome changes that encourage other specs for rogues so they would not have to deal with Shadowstep.

But whatever, I stand by every word I said. No amount of trolls or Russians can convince me otherwise.

It’s a bit silly to say that you hate injustice and then proceed on deliberately misspelling my name through your entire post and pretty much agreeing with the haters on everything. In other words, you lack the courage to stand behind your words and kiss the asses of people who you are trying to criticize while “defending” me.

Try to make up your mind.

I do stand behind my words, your thread didn’t come off as trolling and people shouldn’t be hating but that doesn’t mean I have to agree with everything you say and share the same opinion, Bondo.

Disagreeing does not make one a hater.

Calling you Bondo has nothing to do with injustice, I just liked the way it sounded.

Anyway sorry for sticking up for you Bondo, and the only butt I kiss is my own. But it seems like you’re just a dumbass so i’m done with you.

Well at least “Bondo” showed you exactly why nobody else ever takes him seriously.

The guy is completely unhinged; this is exactly how ALL of his threads go.

It is a form of disrespect and if you openly disrespect others without any reason for it, I would say you are doing an injustice to your fellow man.

Yes, pretend that you did not do anything wrong. It is probably the only way you can keep looking yourself in the mirror.

Good luck.

Honestly don’t really care. Only browsing here when I have time to waste.

And Bondo yea whatever makes you sleep at night dog. I’m sure all Jim’s around the world are scarred for life for being called Jimmy etc.
Good luck to you too, seems like you could use it more.

Whatever, Seedburst.

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all we need is the return of the mace spec, make preparation refresh all rogue skills like it was originally doing, we need rogues back on optimal power levels

beyondo just w me ingame and we can help you with wep or shoulder rating so you can finally stop crying

HAHAHAHAH i kekd hard, this could actually be the case

You just cannot pass an opportunity to compliment yourself, can you? This topic does not even have anything to do with arenas. What happened, did your ench. shaman finally pass 2k and feeling big now?

Tell us all about it, we know you want to.

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