HI My guild forced poeple to pass loot to redistribute it among others. Is this OK according to TOS ?. It feels realy bad if see loot forced to mains over alts in casual run not even a main run for progress. Can i ask wat the TOS/blizzard thinks of this ?
“forces”? How do they force you to play the game?
If the guild in question has informed you beforehand what the loot rules are in the Raid Chat there is nothing wrong.
The “elite” guilds sometimes do this so they can get their mains geared faster (as you said) with their own alts. I would frown upon it myself if they would use other players that are not part of their “Main” Team to kick the bucket tho. This is different from being the “trial” raider mind you which is more common if they have (several) established raid teams within a guild.
To repeat again, there’s nothing against the rules that Guilds may make up their own loot rules, loot council, GDKP, DKP, cookie jar points, etc etc in all but SOD game version - where GDKP is expressly forbidden. But they must inform you how they intend to divide the loot if asked.
Simply find another guild whose loot rules you can agree with.
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Wat about PL back ? its protects players ???
You put yourself in the group, not blizzard. That’s the difference. PL is enforced in queued content.
I wouldn’t personally want to play somewhere that alts / socials aren’t able to get loot in casual runs (Normal after week 1, heroic after week 4-5) but I absolutely understand there will be players who are happy to effectively be carried for the achievement in exchange for being an extra body to increase the total loot going to other players.
The way my guild sees it is the more efficient we are with the loot we get, the faster we’ll clear everything and sooner everyone will get what they want because we won’t be progressing anymore and we’ll be able to get more done in that time.
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You did not specify in your opening post that they were telling you to pass on personal loot which you only did in the 2nd post.
Even taken that into consideration, it is not against the rules to organise such a loot distribution.
This has nothing to do with a “moral” clock, don’t make it personal. You are the one who stated it was a problem to you while hiding details. And you were asking:
And I said very clearly: There is no rules or TOS against this according to Blizzard or they would just auto force you to greed/need.
PL was set in because of Master Looter abuse not because of Guild abuse. It was initially one of the several loot options and then changed to Guilds may select this option if their raid group consists of 60% guild members or more wasn’t it?
And because people then required you to join their guild “temporary” while not being actual guild members it was actively abused.
It boils down to two things:
- Do you agree to this? If yes, why did you made this thread? Then bash the posters when it is not against rules.
- If no, why are you in the Guild that “requests” this of you? They apparently disclosed they would “ask” it.
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Stil PL was much better in the end. Coze guilds abuse there power Its human nature and u where clearly OK with them abuse power. So my comment on Ur moral code sorry was not a complete miss. That aside just sake peace i say ur moral code is ok. Ether way PL removal and Above restrictions on server cash trade removed has also caused another issu but thats not the post. Blizzard is responsible for the order in there and putting in in guilds power to decide is bad. Humanity always proved that power in hands tends to corrupt. 1>was not ware of these loot rules of a guild 2>Its power abuse in a casual raid not even hc or mythic And i find that is a bit of overkill. And for point 3 Maybe ur on the safe side not every one is or has that easy of a choice. Not every wants to pug but i seen so many bad guilds by now around any half decent will do. This is sad btw Ether way Gettin my point over is ussles cuze it not breakin TOS even do it wrong. Cuze it take effort to deal with. But Its sadly that Take no offense pls Blizzard moral capital and values are not wat it was. Its more than 15 years ago they lost any of that sadly. What happend to great brand blizzard ?. They where a brand aww its blizzard top quality Great games. THis this i try to get over is just small bit of wat happens is i mayor drama no.
If you don’t like the rules bring it up constructively or leave.
I ran a guild for about 7 years in the ML days and the one thing I learnt is no matter how fair and transparent you were about loot the little loot goblins were never happy. I’m not saying this is you but…
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No thanks… there’s nothing worse than getting my mates bis item, and being unable to trade it.
Additionally… if PL came back with no trading restrictions which would be your argument.
Let me tell you, if guild said trade everything to x and we’ll use loot council or w/e to distribute it and you didn’t, that would be your last raid with that guild.
The moment you joined a guild, this me me me me mentality should have been thrown out.
From a guild pov… the better gear we have on our mains, the more bosses we kill, which means more loot to everyone.
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Its not against tos as you can always refuse to give up your loot.
You will be likely kicked from guild though .
This is exactly why most people stopped guild raiding years ago in retail .
SR systems /addons in classic work soooo much better
That’s cause you didnt have SR addon back then 
It works sooo good in classic - nobody objects cause all Rolls are autimatic via addon so nobody can say they missed the roll etc etc
In the guild I raid with (not the one this character is in), all loot from main raids is distributed via loot council and goes wherever it will most benefit the raid team as a whole. There are no rolls. It’s a far more efficient way to make use of the loot we get.
The TOS allows guilds to make their own rules to cover how loot is distributed. It’s in your interests to make sure you understand the loot rules before you raid with a guild.
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loot counsil call it cuppurt counsil honest never trust guys go other chennel handel loot same go deam point saw players just safe point bank point up get ever singel itment game so unfair same go ms need trust guy why i like garul it hes list who get wat sr run so if some loot somting not ok go black list golemagg discord ban from server raids no 1 want thet dude
Yes sound liek typical toxic guild which is reason so many people refuse to Play on guidl groups
How is being focused on progressing as a team “toxic”?
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If all of us are on the same page what’s the problem?
We gear more efficiently, we clear the mythic raid faster, we get to farm faster, then on farm we roll out stuff and everyone gets their loot.
As opposed to give out gear randomly, clear slower, get less raid clears per tier, get less loot for everyone.
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Its just another player that’s all me me me me… doesnt understand what it means to be part of a team…
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Personal loot is NOT forced in queued content. LFR isn’t personal loot but group loot.
Ah yes, I’d forgotten about that. May I offer a clarification?
Loot in WoW is never under control of anyone but yourself within the game’s mechanics, the only way you ever cede that control is through some form of social agreement or contract.
PL doesn’t protect players any more or less than group loot, you’ve still got to physically give the item to another person if you win it to no longer have it.
Or… alternatively…
Who cares.
All this loot “rules” are only to make progression more efficient in Mythic progression raids. Where anything that will give them an edge, moral or not, will be used and abused.
For everyone else… M+ offers a complete gear set. And for those sweet OP trinkets, we got bullions. Nothing to complain about.
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