…are they actually loyal to Sylvanas? Can they be loyal to Sylvanas at all? As far as I understand it they have to obey to Bolvar when they are summoned. And how does this play out with the Ebon Blades?
This hasn’t been elaborated upon. To which degree the fealty to Bolvar is compelled rather than voluntary, the state of the forsaken death knights and how many remain in each camp, and so on. It’s the kind of thing the lore is usually too shallow to reliably indicate.
My personal interpretation is that loyalty to Bolvar is voluntary and not magically enforced (but can potentially be enforced physically, if an oath is taken). But who knows what Blizzard’s idea is tbh.
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How is he gonne enforce that, though?
I mean, personally, I think all Third Generation Death Knights that want to follow Sylvanas are… I suppose, free to do so, except they’ll be hunted by the Ebon Blade and Scourge alike when they do so?
I never really understood how that works with serving your faction and the Ebon Blade… :I
As of Legion it seems like the choice is sticking with your respective faction or with the Ebon Blade. As far as Bolvar is concerned, only the Allied Race DKs have any chance of being bound specifically to him, while the older Ebon Blade DKs likely have more freedom in the matter, though seemingly, they are once again subjects of a Lich King.
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Except in Legion all Death Knights worked for the Ebon Blade! It even shows in Drustvar(the Quest with the Red Dragon near a Red Wyrm skeleton!)
On this we agree, everything not one of the main races(with exception of Pandaren) are bound to the LK and the Deathlord/4Horsemen!
I have to throw in a -big- disagree. The fact of the matter is that the Deathlord made a deal with the Lich-King, just to gain more power for his artifact(s)and to raise the new 4 Horsemen, doesn’t neccesarely mean that the whole Knights of the Ebon Blade is bound to the Scourge/Lich King in general.
As a matter of fact; as the Lich King said; aslong as the Deathlord serves its purpose the Knights of the Ebon Blade are free of the Lich King! Atleast until the Deathlord fails to deliver. Then he would take over.
Which means the Knights of the Ebon Blade(not subjects of the LK) have much more freedom then Pandaren + AR Death Knights(subjects of the LK) have, imho! Unless the Deathlord threw in another deal with the LK which made the new DK’s also free of the LK’s MC! D:
(Does my view make sense?)
(Editted to add abit to it)
You had Forsaken Death Knight NPCs in Stormheim who were in Queensguard, and not Ebon.
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They could be. After re-joining their factions, why wouldnt they flock to the leader which, at the time, inspired great loyalty?
Why not. Forsaken arent too big on Lich King
Comes down to which side they favor more
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Who? Thrall? Vol’jin? Cairne? They’re all death! D:
Neither are the Ebon Blade… Yet the Forsaken, not the Knights of the Ebon Blade, tried their best to become the Scourge 2.0.
Legion basicly smacked down on this. If the Deathlord wouldn’t or couldn’t keep control of his Death Knights; he, the Lich-King, himself would smack down dissident and take over control.
So tell me how the Lich-King somehow can’t or couldn’t randomly take control of those “loyalist” Death Knights? D:
I believe they can be, but that the vast majority are just agents serving an outside faction (Knights of the Ebon Blade) while using the factions to increase their probability of success, same with the Illidari.
because Sylvanas is objectively much more powerful and clowned on him like he was a questing mob I think
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So why Forsaken DKs in the Stormheim intro?
Edit: Kump beat me
This is basically what I said, but since Darion is the de-facto leader of the Ebon Blade in absence of the Deathlord, and said Darion is cow-towing to Bolvar in the 8.3 AR scenario…
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These new generation of Death Knight still have the “Addiction”?
Make no sense Bolvar implemented the same “leash” for his new DKs like his prdecessor…
Anything official about this whole cause-pain-addiction?
Nothing says they don’t have the hunger, so they do, the end.
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Nothing wrong with RP’ing a Forsaken that is loyal to the Forsaken (We even saw Koltira in Cataclysm serving the Forsaken) or even go deeper and make your Forsaken follow Sylvanas into the ‘‘evil path’’ of the Loyalist.
In the end majority of Death Knights if not all is of free will so you have the freedom to do as you see fit but following Sylvanas down this path will not make you popular or even possibly not welcomed to the Ebon Blade / Icecrown Citadel.
Also with Shadowlands coming out I doubt Bolvar (R.I.P Lich King) wont likely want to take part of her followers after losing his fancy job because of her.
In the end it is possible to follow Sylvanas but due to her being hunted down both by Horde and Alliance you are in quite the hostile situation from both factions.
So in the end when it comes to RPing someone that is not part of the Horde or Alliance it can get rough unless there are established guilds for that specific purpose and luckily there are at least two guilds that RPing Loyalists if I remember correctly.
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Considering how lazy+worthless Bolvar Lichdragon was during his tenure, he probably didn’t bother trying to advance or recreate a new spell so he just kept the same one Arthas did.
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I think it’s a hard sell to have a Forsaken DK in the first place. He died two times and the third time should work like a charm? And given that the Lich King can always claim him against his will, I do believe it makes no sense for them to be a loyalist to begin with.
Where do you get that from?
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I don’t remember, to be honest.
I would say it’s about their free will, as they are free to make their own choices.
Some might want to work with their Ebon Blade friends, whereas others want to remain close to their Forsaken friends and (prior to Battle for Lordaeron), remain as close to Lordaeron as possible.
Bolvar is not Bolvar as he used to be. He is the Lich King, and if we go by his behavior in Legion, I see no reason why he would shy away from installing the Hunger into the new DKs
Not having the hunger would make DK boring
Nah its quite easy and enjoyable
He tried this with Forsaken after they broke free and with Ebons as well iirc so no, he cant just snap his fingers and assume direct control
Instead it makes all the sense
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