So it would have been fine if Jaina killed every BE in Dalaran? Or destroyed Orgrimmar?
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Yes. She certainly can.
Just as she can invade, raze, and kill her enemies on foreign land.
But if said enemies retaliate in kind, then sheâll have to take it too. And do not try to appeal to some mercy or pity.
Unless she wants to signal loud and clear her own hypocrisy.
Well if the Alliance was ruled by anybody but Anduin the Horde wouldnât be a problem anymore.
But fine, if that is your stance and is equal for both sides I wont complain. Though I am sure other people will do bring up the horrible crimes of Jaina again when NE fans demand justice for Teldrassil.
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If the Horde wasnât constantly harmstringed by some incongruous moral standards that keep on getting forced at random by certain writers, iâd say odds are high on the Alliance having a lot more problems than the ones they had.
Probably because theyâll feel the need to be compensated just as much as NE fans.
If certain players think themselves âentitledâ to have an exclusive plot that tackles and reverses their story issues, then everyone will start questioning why canât they have the same preferential treatment.
Canât really blame anybody right now to want plot and story issues resolved. NE just have the brightest issue right now. But I guess seeing how Forsaken get screwed in SL we can say it is equally bad on both sides.
Zarao youâre being a disingenuous thunder wally.
The current Night Elves are not the Kaldorei Empire. The current Humans are not Thoradin.
Itâs amazing I even have to say this. Theyâre not genociders, neither of them, especially the Night Elves.
When someone says âthe Forsaken are pitch black mass murderersâ and you reply with âhehe just like the NEs and Humans, kidâ thatâs your nutty Horde bias talking.
There is no Night Elf version of the Burning of ZulâTeldr, or Stormwind making Orc extermination camps by using Orcs as freaking crops.
Get real.
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What Centaur villages were wiped out again?
If you play WC3 it was the Tauren that were nearly entirely wiped out because of the Centaur.
If youâre pointing at Mulgore, you may double check, because Iâm pretty certain it was âreclaimedâ, furthermore the chronicles, for what good they are now, make it clear that Mulgore, and more specificly the area now known as Desolace were sited with Tauren villages, before the Centaur broke out from Mauradon and started killing everything.
I know youâre having a disagreement over matters with Zarao, but you havenât given a good counter example if all you bring up is the Centaur, which were and have been the agressors ever since they emerged, Tauren never genocided them, nor did the Horde as a whole for that matter, unless as I asked before, you can give me a good source on that happening.
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Their current land claims are all based on territories they took from others. Often by extreme force. Troll animosity wasnât born out of the blue.
Weâve had both recent and past experiences regarding their treatment of those same races, and the way they unrepentantly cling to their claims even when facing those that could arguably have a more âvalidâ (or whatever) historic claim to said territory. Not that i care much for such things as iâve already stated above.
But still, people take these factions, and argue for some apparent mistreatment when some other guy or faction comes knocking at their door with ways that resonate with those that facilitated their current status and claims.
Yeah, i started all this with a tongue in cheek comment i openly tagged as such on my second post.
But that doesnât mean there isnât some truth to it, specially when iâm retorting to some hyperbole about an incessant string of countless genocides or some drivel like that, that tries to paint a distorted view of what actually happened in the story.
Zarao made the point that the Humans are genociders for clearing out Gnoll villages, which is insane.
By comparison, the Centaur are much like the Gnolls, very hostile, and yes, their villages are also cleared out during questing. Therefore, the Tauren are genociders for killing them, by his logic
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You can hardly call it âethnic cleansingâ though, can you? Since they are different races, and isnât it true though that Stormwind was indeed settled on gnoll land?
Can you say the same about the Centaur? Even though In game and the Chronicles show you the Tauren were the rightfull inhabitants of the places they took over?
I mean, if you kill out villages of another race, what would you call it?
And again, what Centaur villages were cleared out during questing?
The Thing is, Gnolls are native in the eastern kingdoms. Savage and dangerous, but at home where they are. They were there before humans ever came, as were Kobolds etc.
Yes, they donât live according to our morals, but they still get thrown out of their home and killed without mercy. (Yes, the horde does this too with Harpies and Quillboar, but nobody said that the Horde is the good guy here, just that every race in WoW has skeletons in their cellar.)
The original point was that the Humans and NEs are equatable to the Forsaken.
Help me god, apparently the Humans are just as monstruous for clearing out creatures like the Gnoll. Which in turn would mean the Tauren are just as monstruous for clearing out Centaur villages. Here is an occassion in which it happened:
X_https://classic.wowhead.com/quest=4841/pacify-the-centaur
I think you misintepreted that though, He did say both Human and NE are guilty of their share of genocidingâŚwich technically, they are.
I didnât see him writing theyâre on equal footing with the Forsaken in âmonstrousâ⌠But hey, maybe I missed that part scrolling through the texts.
No, did you read what you linked?
The questgiver is talking about retribution, that means something was done to them first, and obviously thatâs true, because Iâve been writing about it for a few posts now. The Centaur ARE the agressors, they came long after the Tauren inhabited Southern Kalimdor and started killing them(Same boat as the Humans and the NEâs from Zaraoâs example, to be quite frank. only reason we gave less of a shett is because Tauren are a playable race and Kobold and Gnoll are WoWâs nuisance races)
It also mentions attacking a camp, so not a village or a town, the camp could be a war camp for you know, and quite frankly, remembering Thousand Needles in Classic, it more than likely was, but you donât need to take my word for it.
Just read up on Centaur lore, theyâre not and having very rarely been the good guys when it comes to Tauren vs Centaur conflicts.
Didnât miss it, never said so.
I basically stated what your wrote regarding NE and Humans.
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I disagree.
The current Night Elf and Human factions are not guilty of genociding.
Much how Humans attacked in retaliation to Gnoll and Troll aggressions, huh?
Which has been my point exactly. Thank you for demonstrating it yet again.
itâs ashamed the night elf empire didnât consider wiping out the trolls worth their time it would clearly have saved us this debat
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Iâm not sure, was there a change, or is this something different?
âRaised into undeath, the Forsaken have built a bold future out of the ruins of a darkened pastâ seems much less offensive, doesnt it?
It refers to the introduction cutscene, not the character creation description afaik.
You have to love his delusions though,they seem to be getting worse as we near Shadowlands.
I mean if the NEâs were as bad as he makes out then Pre-Sundering the Kalâdorie would have turned Zandalar into a smoking heap of rubble and dead loa as it was only Azsharaâs mercy that allowed the little trolls to survive,if she wanted she could have wiped them all out to the last and no amount of Voodo would have helped loll
And post-sundering the NEâs would have wiped out the centaurs/tauren/quilboar and no way would they have allowed the Orcs and Humans to survive once they landed on Kalimdor if they really were mass murdering genocidal maniacs 
There was another change with the latest build. This one is much better, but really the core issue to me is not the exact wording, but rather the implication that the Horde Races are probably going to be framed as âGood guyâ templates going forward.
Edit: It seems I was mistaken. The line you linked to is from the Character Creation screen, while the one I posted in the OP is from the introduction cutscene when youâve created a new character. The Red Shirt Guy has written a nice article that clarifies this on Blizzplanet. In other words both are in the current build.