Forsaken Moral Realignment

As long as they profit from their rulers, why not? They still have the lands their former leaders conquered (at least the ones they didn’t blow up)

Those NE had nothing to do with any conquest. They have lived there for thousands of years, probably born thousand of years after the conquest. Demanding them to return the territory is about as sensible as demanding New York being returned to the original native American tribe.

In my case i never demanded they returned said territory.

But i do think people should drop the moralist stance that condemns those sort of acts of aggression, specially if they seem to speak in the name of certain “wronged” races that didn’t show such qualms back in the time when they played the aggressor role.

Simple question here.

Are the Tauren morally black genociders for killing Centaurs?

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No, they are not.

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Then neither are the current Humans or the modern day Night Elves.

Thank you for defeating your arguments.

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Yeah…those were never my arguments.

No I can still condemn those actions. Current time NE have nothing to do with any Troll Wars from the past. They are not guilty of any crimes their ancestors did.

centaurs are relatively new on the stage, they are the offspring, of the offspring, of the offspring of an original Wild God. They are the agressors in this conflict :wink:

When was there Ever a Centaur genocide though?
Tell me, because quite frankly it had been the otherway around since WC3 afaik.

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Yes, yes it was. You absolute gelatine.

They are still living on said conquered land. They fight those that argue that they want said land back.

For them to be “free of any guilt”, they would first need to hand over all the territory their “ancestors” took.

I put between quotation marks the “guilt” part because its rather funny how for certain people it all devolves into a penal court.
Conquest in a setting that has several warring races isn’t a crime.

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Hey if wiping out Gnoll and Troll villages while they were hostile to Humans is genocide how is wiping out Centaur villages since vanilla not genocide?

Completely irrelevant. It has been well over 10000 years. At some point it has to end. Like I said, nobody is giving the US back to different tribes. Nobody is blaming current living humans in the US for any crimes or war of conquest. It is completely pointless.

Genocide isn’t a crime.

Zarao has gone on a full power trip.

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Zarao school of thought, horde did it so it’s okay.

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You know that those in the US that are descendant from native Americans are currently profiting from a special taxing regime as a way to compensate past actions, right?

Anyway, that’s rather beyond the point.

In the fantasy setting that has several kinds of fictional races that war with each other, are often shown unambiguously warlike in the way they deal with their problems, or that often enough solve their territorial issues by force? Yeah, conquest and the literal definition of genocide isn’t (or shouldn’t) be considered a crime. Barring certain limits.

Firstly because you’d need to define first what any particular race considers a “person” (something quite difficult for certain races), and secondly because the cultural values of these fictional races are often tuned to create exaggerated responses.
Also, there is no such thing as an Azeroth Hague.

Both Alliance and Horde have carried out acts of genocide for their own good.

And it paints both NE and Humans in a rather hypocritical way, to have them complain when they are aggravated or at the receiving end of a series of actions that mimic those their race carried out in order to profit from the lands they are currently enjoying.
Thankfully, more often than not, these proclamations of injustice are often done by players. While ingame characters take it astride and simply plan for the appropriate retaliation.

Funny how you never mention the Horde. I do not see you demanding the BE should return territory to the Trolls.

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Him saying nothing about Nightborne is even better, they are literally the remains of night elf ruling caste from Azshara days. Somehow they get a free pass though.

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That’s probably because i don’t think any conqueror on Azeroth has any kind of obligation to return any conquered land. Be them NE, Humans, BEs or Forsaken.

You see, regardless of how hard people try to pin any of this as some moralist debate about rights or wrongs, my stance is a really simple one.
It could be summed into two basic statements; (1) might makes right on Azeroth and (2) do not cry for mommy when you find yourself facing a bigger dog.

I do think that proclaiming the injustice behind some attack, when said by certain races, does paint them in a rather hypocritical way.
Because, hey i don’t blame you nor expect you to play nice.
But cut the crap about calling out dirty-plays when someone treats you the same way.