Frost mage - how to improve damage?

Hi

I am in desperation and I have decided to, at least try, ask some advice here.

I am hitting a brick wall in HC Raszageth - I just can’t do damage (it’s also an issue with some other bosses in the raid). I have had a lot of pulls so far where I do the same dmg as tanks and it really starts to bother me a lot to the point I’m getting so stressed in the raid that I start to get so nervous and I start messing up my dmg even more.

I can feel how people are judging me without even saying a word directly towards me. Seeing people at the top who are literally doing 3-5x my damage is insane, even when I’m trying my hardest to use my skills and potions and whatnot as perfectly as I possibly can.

I feel I’m doing something FUNDAMENTALLY wrong. I have tried to watch some POV videos but there are no creators who are explaining their thought process while playing. The gameplay seems quite similar to mine (let’s be fair, it’s not really rocket-science but I feel I could still improve).

What could be some advanced tips how I could improve my gameplay and damage?
I have tried to mix up raid talents, the more I touch them the worse it gets, so basically I follow the meta-builds only.

Gear wise I am doing okay, 4p set, best enchants possible, 398 ilvl, very comparable to the other people in the raids.

Thanks!

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Got any logs?

No, I don’t. Do you think logging would help me understanding my issues? I never really understood how logging works, it never saves my logs no matter what settings I use. Also I don’t like the performance costs Overwolf brings.

You dont need to run overwolf during wow anf its really not as bad as its rep. There’s a setting for advanced combat logging somewhere. Turn that on then you can upload a log afterwards.

Other than that google magehub for the most up to date guides.

I have that option enabled actually but I see no logs anywhere. :frowning:

Edit: nevermind, I just read that I’m supposed to type /combatlog in-game :smiley:

You need to face first foremost that our damage is low if not super optimized.

Keep in mind that, the highest non external buff (Power infusion for exmple) raider right now for frost mage is only 77k dps overall for Raz.

This person is none other than our prized Frost Mage Manather, sitting at rank 1722 in DPS for HC Raz. In technical first place is ChoeChoi who was babysat 8x PI but not even he is top 500.

Otherwise, if you want to continue with frost mage still

Check that you are minimizing all forms of latency be it brain, hardware or software, as even the tiniest delay in IL spamming is detrimental to IV uptime. Sims can keep a 100% IV uptime on a 10 minute fight, for example.
Look into timing your spell queue if you find yourself throwing the wrong spells.
Swapping keyboard switches on your keyboard.
Drink a cup of coffee 30 minutes before the raid.
Close most internet connections to prioritize wow.
Reduce all graphics settings super low, but not too low so you can’t see swirlies anymore.
Check that you are following the cast routine of your sims, sims show for example to pop shifting as soon as its off cd and you dont have any FoF.
Make sure for standard rotation you’re not in melee or max range else it won’t shatter the FB.

There are a few things more I think

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Thanks! Actually Manather is the reason I’m pushing myself to improve myself more, love him. :slight_smile:
IV uptime for sure is a problem for me, I find myself “hardcasting” Frostbolt all the time - this is where I can start looking for improvements for sure.
I’m also thinking about keybinds, at the moment I use basic 1 2 3 for IL, flurry, Frostbolt but I think it’s not really optimal for moving, but I can’t figure out any better keybind setup (I’m not going to use a MMO mouse, I tried and it’s beyond my IQ).
And that melee-tip is also really great, I don’t know how I haven’t figured that out by myself by now lol.

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He frequents the mage discord Altered Time, I suggest also visiting our our mage hub written by Toegrinder, link to it is in the discord

Those two places work in tandem with wowhead, all three are great resources to help identify shortcomings.

Good luck out there!

Its says on the results not to use it as a rotation guide. Theres a lot of ifs and elses in the code so 2 sims can look like they have different rotations. Better off reading guides on magehub, although it may change next slightly next week with buffs.

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Yes.
You are playing the wrong spec if you want to do damage.

Don’t forget mouse binds as a possible choice for spells. If you have a gaming mouse, you might have buttons on the mouse that you can use for casting and that frees up fingers for moving on the left hand. When healing, I tend to have mouseover macros on the left/right tilt buttons on the mouse wheel and use modifier keys (shift/alt/ctrl) to add more spells to the tilt switch. On my mage though, I have wheel tilt switches bound to ice floes and blink.

I think using Q and E for spells is very common. You put the strafe movement binds on A and D and always use the mouse to rotate. I haven’t done that, but it makes sense.

I’ve been using my on WeakAuras since WOTLK. Pandaria was the last expansion where I did any advanced raiding on retail, so I can’t prove that anything I say about frost DPS is 100% right. However, when I revised the auras for Dragonflight, it took me quite a while to figure out how Flurry interacts with everything, especially with the two recharge system + brain freezes.

I have an aura set up so that I can see Winter’s Chill charges on the target and also if Flurry is available (there’s another aura for Brain Freeze). So if I’m casting a Frostbolt filler and Flurry is available (and WC isn’t on the target), a small aura pops up and prompts me to combo the Flurry on the Frostbolt. The first Flurry tick makes the previously cast Frostbolt hit a frozen target (this was a bit of a WTF moment for me - either it wasn’t that way in Legion or I had already forgotten in my years away) and then the two ticks after that can be used for Ice Lance. I have Deep Shatter, but I guess the Icy Veins interaction of frozen Ice Lances is more important, so the combo is Frostbolt+Flurry+Ice Lance+Ice Lance.

Now, I’m not a huge fan of the double ice lances, because I suspect that when you have really high haste (or laggy computer maybe), you risk hitting three ice lances instead of two and that’s bound to be horribly bad for DPS. I think that would be an important thing to check on logs. I know I cast an extra Ice Lance every now and then and it doesn’t make me happy at all. I think the rotation would be better if it didn’t have quite this many mandatory instant casts back to back.

With Deep Shatter, it’s probably not horribly bad to cast a Frostbolt onto Winter’s Chill, although it will reduce your IV uptime. However, if you get FoF and you combo an Ice Lance over the Frostbolt that would have otherwise gotten a charge of WC, the Ice Lance will eat the WC (and gain 10% more damage), but the Frostbolt will not hit a frozen target. I kind of wish they would change this, but technically you’re not supposed to be casting that Frostbolt anyway (unless the buff this week somehow changes that, but probably not).

Here’s a question though for the hard core raiders: if the boss is dying pretty soon and you have IV up already and you know it’s easily going to last until the end, could you switch to a more Frostbolt-heavy rotation, if you are specced Deep Shatter? You get more FoF and BF procs and the IV time extension probably doesn’t matter. This is assuming just a single target, so cleave talent interaction.

Maybe I should enable the Blizzard auras and see how they are programmed vs. mine.

Yep I am facing the same issue, some Ice Lance casts like lag out and even after using one, the second one can also have some weird delay, hard to explain but yea. Then the 3rd cast goes out and I die a little inside…

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