i just noticed that a frost mage can spamm spellsteal and still perform as a stable offensive / defensive spec.
is this normal? because i pretty sure don’t think it is.
this was tested by priest vs frost mage, warlock vs frost mage, fire mage vs frost mage, arcane mage vs frost mage, shamans vs frost mage, druids (not feral) vs frost mage.
so yea, you can basically clean someones buffs out and reclear it again and still have mana to damage and defence due to the lack of ability spamming in a frost mage. WHICH IS A BIG DEAL
Fairly certain both frost and fire are limited to 5 spellsteals on a full manapool and it only being if you need to spam it 5 times in a row that it causes issues with using other spells (mainly cd’s like combust and frozen orb).
The current way mana works and regens just means that even if you spam spellsteal then you’ll have at most a window of 5’ish seconds where you can’t use certain spells.
nah lol a fire mage is like 25% mana pool per spellsteal and if you hit under 5% mana you’re basically oom to all spells.
frost mage can litterly spam and respam and respam that spell teal even after he hit 1% mana he can still fight back and nuke you down, and then goes to spellstealing even more.
go test it if you don’t belive so.
Not as much as you think, look at like this… a Frost Mages cleans your buffs using 2 - 3+ globals, you/your teammates reapply in 1 global, he steals them again using the same amount of globals, you again… reapply in 1 global. All the while, you’ve been using 1 global to reapply while using the others on damage. The Frost Mage has spent all of those on just removing buffs that can alot of the time be trivial and hasn’t actually done any dmg due to using the globals on spell steal. Now he’s OoM for awhile and cant steal the important buffs like BoP, Freedom etc, or any other buffs your teammates bring and is behind on damage, from not casting anything. If a Mage is stealing trivial buffs over and over and over for them to just get reapplied instantly (like they should be) he’s probably does know what he or she is doing and likely aren’t very good Mages.
Before you say, but they don’t need to cast… Yes, Frost DOES need to cast due how their dmg works. Thats actually one of the reasons its worse than Fire atm, if a Frost Mage can’t stand and chain cast, he does very little dmg and can easily get run over due to not being able to generate pressure. He can choose to use his CD’s to get pressure but that’s a massive waste as when he gets a Poly he then doesn’t have any threatening damage.
The amount of times you hit a situation where you can’t use a spell after spamming spellsteal one too many times is rare, partly because the mage usually notices that they’ll be too oom to use combust afterwards. Even if you do go oom then it takes maybe 2 seconds before you’re at a point where you can cast anything besides combust and spellsteal due to how quick mana regens
A frost mage is going to be stuck unable to cast frozen orb for at least a few seconds after doing 5 spellsteals. That their burst doesn’t necessary come from that is another issue that comes down to how mana regen and PvE damage works for the spec (much the same reason why combustion and pyroblast are the only somewhat mana intensive spells for fire).
As a final note the Wynter’s also right in how it is with spamming spellsteal. Usually if you don’t get the right buff within the first 2 globals you’ve lost a fair bit of pressure from almost wasted globals. The removal of Kleptomania for fire and frost is going to hurt a fair bit for that reason since neither spec will be able to reliable remove specific buffs next patch, turning it into more of a gamble (one that rarely is worth it against rdruids for one).
The only time it’s worth it to spam it on a target to clean them is right as you’re setting up or if you have a partner who can pump damage, in which case you can play it like spriests and shamans would in similar situations. Even if you’re using it before setting up then you rarely get time for more than 2 - 3 spellsteals with the remaining one or two being saved for potential crucial buffs during the kill.
dont tell this guy about arcane or he might have a mental breakdown
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