Frost mages dmg feels very bad in pvp.
and yet according to Murlok io, Frost mage is the number 1 dps spec in 3s, number 5 in Blitz, 6 in Shuffle and 11 in 2s. It is only 17 in RBGs, but seems like itâs doing very well to me and this comes from a Mage main, so if they buff damage I might not complain, but it would be mega busted imo. It would be fun for mage players but also ridiculous, like I felt Fire Mage was in Bfa with the laughable Gpy spam in bgs, which I thoroughly enjoyed by the way.
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Comparing to âbestâ is idiotic. Do you compare your income to elon musk? You should compare to the median to find the real âtopâ classes.
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What is it that you think Iâm âcomparing to bestâ? It seems to me that if the best players are performing as I quoted with Frost mage, then it is not in need of a damage buff. I think this is a valid point of view.
Its mathmatically NOT valid. Like i said, thr outliers (best performers grom the POPULATION) - are not relevant when you think about a game-wide change. You should onky account for the MEDIAN.
Therefore - the data that you need to make this analyais is to take all players rated 1.65k-1.85k and compare THEIR performabce class vs class.
To be specific- you need to compare the bottom line - win rate. How many games/rounda did player x win out of the total games/rounds played?
I mean in this context, I donât think you need to do anything. Itâs their game and if they want to make mages OP, there is no law against it I think. Furthermore, if they want to use the stats from the top players rather than the median, they can do so. Maybe your suggested way of doing things would be better, but itâs up to them. I donât think mathematical validity comes into it though. They can make the game however they want to make it.
They want to use the stats from top, or do you?
This discussion is pointless as is your argument my friend, respectfully.
If you want to suggest any buff/nerf or counter such proposal using ANY data - you can only use the MEDIAN popupation data to represent the whole (and even then - some might say that a bucket of quadrant percentiles should be the minimum required effort).
Math validity comes to Any SAAS comapny that offers a product and subscription to its users. I should know because im an analyst in one. They wont move 10 bucks left or right with no mathmatical proof - but they would move 100 mil with mathmatical proof.
Iâm not bothered about using stats from anywhere. I have no problem with their using stats from the median if they want to, especially if the end result is better. I was responding to the OP, by saying that basically it doesnât seem to me that Frost mage damage is low in PvP according to Murlok io.
Iâm sure youâre right that they use maths in their assessment of the state of play, but I wouldnât see it as invalid for them to balance PvP using the stats of the top players rather than median if they chose to. It may yield a less pleasing result, but itâs their choice how they make the game. Thatâs my point.
I get your point tho. If someone were to say mages need a nerf because the top players are doing too well with it, when median players were not doing well, that might be an invalid claim to make. Then again, they can still make the game however they want, so they are free to balance the game using data from the top players rather than the median if they wish, even if that would be using invalid maths. That said, whilst playing an OP class/spec can be fun, I suppose it would be preferable to the majority of players if they didnât use invalid maths though, granted.
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I mean, frost mage dosnt seem to be a burst dmg spec. Its more about control and survivability. And they seems to do pretty well in that regards.
The point I was making was that since, according to Murlok io, Frost mage was at the time I posted my reply, the number 1 dps spec in 3s, number 5 in Blitz, 6 in Shuffle and 11 in 2s, I would conclude that their damage were sufficient. RBGs was their weakest ranking at 17, but thatâs still close to the top of the bottom half, so overall across all modes, they seemed to be very strong and still do. Increasing their damage would presumably have moved them even further up the dps rankings, which they were already high in for 3s, Blitz and Shuffle and decent in for 2s. These positions have changed now but not much apart from RBGs in which theyâve fallen to 22. Still rank 5 in Blitz though, for bg lovers.
This said, if Spellsor is right that they are gathering these stats from the top players and that for most players, Frost mage is not strong enough, I would be quite happy for them to buff their damage, since Frost mage is one of my two most played class/specs! (Just to clarify though, Spellsor asserted only that they use the stats from the top players, not necessarily that Frost mage is not strong for most players and therefore damage needs a buff, although Iâd be interested to know whether he does think the second part is true).
Frost mages are fine in PvP.
In PvE, howeverâŠ
That mastery scaling. It needs to be fixed.
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