Hey looks nice from the bottom: https://www.wowhead.com/news/dragonflight-season-1-dps-rankings-week-5-heroic-vault-of-the-incarnates-331009?webhook
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Good thing Fury has always been an AOE niche spec.
I love how Arms and Fury are now seperated between ST and AOE.
It’s really nice to see Arms finally getting some PvE love.
That’s why fury is “low”, because it pumps in AOE and lacks in ST.
It isn’t an all-round spec, it’s well balanced towards it’s niche.
Dude some love? Did you see where arms is and where assa rogue is?
Sure, for the same reason I editted above.
Check the Eranog and Terros logs for warriors. Arms rules in ST, as it should!
Fyi, have you seen Fire and Frost mage?
Yet ppl swap to these specs depending the fights.
The only thing these logs “show” is how well-rounded and broken a spec is.
Nothing about their “niche” or the dedicated playstyle focus.
If your spec is balanced but not strong/OP in both AOE and ST it’ll show lower in the logs then it actually is.
did you actually look the dps overalls he linked? fury warrior is at bottom for both aoe and single target
same thing again like it was in the shadowlands. we had to play arms for 3 tier in row for raiding. they dont give jacksh*t about fury warrior. i dont understand how hard to balance this spec. we need better single target dps and sustained aoe. 10.0.5 fury warrior changes are so bad and proves that the dev responsible with fury dont play fury or dont have any idea how fury performs atm. just sad. i dont care PVP you know. buff us for PVE and nerf it to ground for PVP i dont care
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also tier set only increase damage %2,79. it is a joke. we are telling this about mounts and they dont care
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S1 was Arms.
S2 and S3 was Fury.
S4 was Fury again.
Wdym you had to play Arms in Shadowlands 
Arms was atrociously bad in SL after they nerfed the Venthyr ability 
The Fury tier set is garbage though, I made a countless off posts about that during Alpha already.
That is why they drop week after week because other classes obtain their 4 set…
Imagine giving a class the staple AOE Niche, but then create a tier set around an ST ability that does less dmg then a filler.
That is the one and problem Fury has, change the tier set into WW or RB/Ramp and the spec is super good.
Want to balance fury and make it viable ?
Nerf the all in one damage from burst, where you overcap rage non-stop for 10s every 1m30 and do a sh*ttons of damage
And buff the overall damages outside of it for Rampage/CB.
I enjoy playing Fury and the never-ending button spam, but make it actually relevant to press them outside burst so we can do more than tank level damages.
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One interesting thing i see in that ranking list is that there are still far more fury warriors (113,665 of them) than Arms warriors (23,724) in the player bracket they’re measuring for these rankings, so warriors at least stick to their favourite spec.
This also means that the whole “People play the weaker specs less often, which makes the lower-ranking ones seem lower”-thing people like to trot out doesn’t count here, fury does indeed perform very poorly, but players are still fiercely loyal to the spec.
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It’s the same story with MM vs BM hunters.
The buttonsmash specs are always more popular, no matter what state they are in because… They are eassier…
Fury warrior and BM hunter are the alltime most popular specs off the playerbase.
(This is excluding the FOTM reroll apes, that’s why Havoc DH numbers are so inflated atm)
I know I’m a filthy casual but I’m still quite ashamed when 380 rogues even my overall damage in dungeons (I’m 399)
First of all. Fury is not good at AOE, Fury is good at AOE burst, and that is about it, and that is only if you spec into right talents, without right talents, Fury does literally worst AOE damage in the game, Arms seems to have more AOE potential then fury in a long run. Fury is only rly “OP” if packs does not live long meaning lower difficulty Raid and Dungeons.
Other thing, idea of “NICHE” should stay in the past with old talent system. If you make entire spec around AOE, then its talents may as well be removed. Whole point of talent is choice over what you want your character to excel at in any given moment.
And that seems to be a running theme with most “Flavor of the month” classes. Rogue can dominate both AOE and Single Target depending on talent choices, DK can dominate both aspects, DH can dominate both aspects, Hunter dominates both aspects, without even touching talents. Sure they are slightly better at one over the other, but still they are functional in both aspects.
This idea that fury should be AOE spec. does not have a place in current wow. Both arms and Fury should be good at both aspects, only difference being how they do things, ofc they will not be equal but functionality is main key here.
Problem is Fury now, is clear lack of IDEA shown in both talent trees in gameplay. If you look closely at talent trees, you can see how many contradicting and conflicting talents Fury warrior have. Arms seems to be in a better spot at least direction wise.
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The only thing Fury warrior needs is a Tier set change, as I’ve said so many times.
Change the Execute nonsense towards RB or Rampage.
This will increase their ST damage significantly while also bieing very usefull in sustained AOE.
Or Execute buff
That will not help Furys AOE situation at all though.
Sure enough it will help the ST damage slightly, but then the “bursty” AOE that everyone here complains about (and that I really like) will not be touched by an Execute buff.
100% Agreed.
They just don’t know what to do .
They just sit around a table that is on fire and saying " ITS FINE" . The thing that we have to reroll and go arms because its more viable really grinds my gears. So my crafted gear goes to the botton because blizzard WONT just listen to the people. I’m a player that comes from Burning crusade era etc, i’ve never seen such a trash set.
The nerfs , i mean the main dampening ability RAMPAGE is worse than raging blow. TF!
Because Fury is a lot of fun compared to many specs imo. SMF annihilator especially. Probably one of the best* spec out there from what i tried in DF (ww monk, demo, destro, devoker, feral and guardian druid)
*: best as best designed / talent tree / flow with the spec. Not talking numbers here.
I play SMF Annihilator too, it’s fun, smooth, always something to use, and wildly swinging around a pair of flails looks very cool, too.
I’m happy for the SMF-buff, but the spec as a whole needs help, especially the tier set.
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ive bough 2x 1h wepons conq one for fury to test that smf but its not even workin those talents are bugged and not givin 5% dmg and ms also 0 points