Fury isn't competable in M+

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Hey there,

so I’m back from a long sleep, back from DF S1.
I started playing my Boomkin 3 weeks ago and now wanted to push my Fury.

I really like the playstyle of the Fury Spec at this time - liked it also a lot before.
But when it comes to M+ - it really, really, really just fails.

Boss DPS is acceptable but the target cap and some other tweaks are srsly needed fast.
You cant compete with almost every other DPS class in AoE Damage.

And this really broke my heart tho.
The Fury i played 2 years ago was fun. He was useless in utility, but a pain in the a*s for all the packs and mobs out there. When did this end? When did you guys at blizzard decide to let the whole spec go down in M+ Dungeons?

I mean yea, my Boomkin does good Damage and all the Comments “then play another spec, go reroll … bla bla” thats not why I play the game. I really dont want to change my No.1 Class every now and then. I want to play the class the playstyle fits the most to my needs and want to be competable with other classes and not falling behind like a stone.

sorry for being a bit emotional.
But please.
Make the fury great again in fact its a dumb class w/o any utility and only known for its damage.

And if there is a dev out there doing this. I swear I’ll paypal 5 bucks to any adress you send me :frowning:

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make fury great again, blizzardo please. :cry:

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We are competitive, and if not that, at least viable to do the content. If you go pre-made, in a comp with the tenacity, opportunity, willpower and the skill to do keystone minmax: Then Fury is in fact a pick that can get the content done.

Just don’t expect a good time in PuGs.

The disclaimer out of the way… I get how and why you feel the way you do. Sadly, fact of the matter is, this is what the ones with blizzard contacts want to push Fury to become. They want this very low impact CD, flat damage and high ST profile.

It is really strong for bosses, and most raid encounters designed will see that our “big burst” CDs are valuable. As in this setting, adds actually only last a few seconds, and we gain value from the cast being more efficient than using rotational or having a cast time / build up. Maybe the ones who wanted this, didnt also expect our sustained AoE damage to be this low, that is fair. Yet, without AoE CDs with impact, any downtime is downright destructive to our performance. There is no leeway, so you either stick to the mob and take all the chances dying. Or you are as good as being dead and being a negative affix.

Problems of our damage profile aside. If you look at your job in M+, it is not to do AoE or cleave, others are better than us at that job. Our job as per current design: Single Target Boss DPS and Lieutenants. We are great at that.

We will do above 2 million ST, when others are around 1.5m. That is us cowering our part of the dungeon.

Some will argue we also do good 5t cleave damage, and that is true, it isn’t bad. It just isn’t the best or strong enough to be thought of as an “advantage of bringing a Fury Warrior”. If you want cleave, bring the folks who do that and also crush AoE.

My best advice to you, is either:

  • Just accept that we will be low on the overall, that our impact on the key is through killing prio targets. That this is just as important to complete the key. That this helps others overall DPS shine, as we push them through their low state.

or

  • Give up. Know that with current design philosophy and spec function, Fury Warrior is and will be lack luster till changes are made.

The only real issue I see, is the people who get extremely offended by our AoE DPS, and becomes hostile in chat towards the situation. Ignoring that you, as part of a team, is doing your job to see the group over the finish line in time.

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There is a fury warrior doing the highest keys going right now. Your spec is fine.

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Stupid comment referring to a pre-made outlier rather than the median

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Yeah well, thats true.

The ST is ok. Comparing to a Hunter whos doing 2M ST and 8-12M AoE. Its still ok but overall it feels not right.
I know what my fury can do. I know we can pick those trashmobs out everyone wants to die and make the kill faster.

Anyway. You are right. Without a premade Group you most likley not getting invited to pugs. And thats realy sucks!

Imagine being a so called noob and try getting your first points in M+.
yea i tell you what, you won’t.

no one will take you because most people don’t know the actual purpose of the fury.
And then you stand there doing 2,5-3m overall while everyone laughs at you with there 4-6m or more …

I’m sad. I’m sorry.

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Ye,

I can relate to that feeling.

It isn’t exactly fun being in keys and get the feel that you are being carried all the time.

Gameplay is fun, even with its akward weaknesses that the tuning got it held to.

Fury Warrior is not new-player friendly, that is for sure.

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Multiple fury warriors in the top 100 runs. It doesn’t matter that you’re not the top spec for giga aoe damage. Your spec is performing in keys that are multiple levels higher than you will be doing.

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Stupid comment yet again referring to statistical outliers rather than the median. +12 keys an up (timed), the run frequency (and population) of fury goes down the drain, sitting at 2.3% of all DPS specs while ret paladin sits at 14.5%. And it just goes down from there. 1.7% at +13 and 1.1% at +14 for fury.

Ergo, fury is the wrong DPS spec to push on for ~99% of people at +14 and up.

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Yep, both Arms and fury are op right now, easily can do +16 , + 17 keys. They do more dmg than fire mage easily.

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Why would those numbers be relevant? They indicate popularity more than anything. Why would you ever compare yourself to ret paladins, the defacto most popular spec in the game? Ret paladin isn’t even considered to be OP right now. In fact there are less ret paladins in the actual highest keys than fury warriors. Technically you could look at that data and gather from that that ret paladin is worse to push with than a warrior is because more of them seem to fall off the higher you go.

Your spec isn’t overpowered, but it’s also not underpowered. It’s not actually a problem if your spec is just fine.

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Very interesting to reply like this. So 1 person decides for all of the class / spec population?

If you watch them you clearly see fury is behind and if it was propperly tuned their team would actually compete to be one of the top teams. You clearly see their fury warrior is holding their team back.

So please don’t blindfold yourself to please blizzard and start waking up.

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It’s holding its own in the top 0.1%, you’re deluded and biased if you think its “not competable”.

Keep circlejerking each other though.

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How many fury warriors are in top 0,1% and how many of them are in long standing teams/friend groups? You’ll be suprised and shocked. This specialization has no future because everyone knows its bad unless you have friends.

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This.

So i played further and Fury is really f*ed. With Premade Groups you can go higher Keys. Ofc you can. But the AoE damge is just … wow it’s so bad. The whole spec is based on AoE and cant deal AoE Damage.

So my Fury is equiped with 664.75 GS - does a good ST damage what makes ppl take me on +11 and higher for ST damage. no one will choose a fury for AoE … for its only purpose in life… and soon my fury gets outpaced by my hunter with GS 600 …!

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You wish ^^

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its not great in solo pvp either, you need a healer to babysit you through all the snares and stuns, should at least be great in m+ and general pve…I agree.

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In the majority of top keys with a fury war the warrior is doing the least amount of damage, while at the same time not bringing much utility to the board. You would in most instances be better off bringing another spec/class (the pugs are very aware of this).

All fury needs to do atleast ok is just some AOE tuning.

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The fury is usually only in their group because its a long-term friend or similar. Fury brings nothing

As i listed elsewhere. Why bring other classes over Fury?

  • More Aoe damage (Uncapped aoe and not limited to 5) big pulls die faster
  • Most meta specializations have more prio damage than fury. Making fury irrelevant
  • Fury’s toolkit sucks brings nothing to the table other than being tanky.

People only take fury because there either:
A. Long standing premade group and feel petty for ditching the person
B. Friends and feel petty
C. Charity case, helping specializations that are useless

Blizzard will not read these posts. Just give up. I tried for many days / weeks now. They stopped caring. All they care about these days is there money grabbing.

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