Is it still possible to fury tank in tbc or is the damage just too much?
Fury tank is potentially better even if you don’t dual wield. However the T4 boss damage is laughable, at t4 bis you may even be able to dual wield tank Magtheridon. The main issue you face in TBC is itemization
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Ya we call it druid.
by that you mean what exactly? not enough DPS plate gear?
sorry i never played plate classes
Probably a bad idea tbh since the threat fury prot can put in tbc is not better than a feral druid why even bother since you will be taking crushing blows all the time for little gain it’s like putting a prot paladin as a healer sure it might work on occasion but it’s definitely not optimal
The tank gear in TBC has very bad DPS stats. In Classic you have tank gear that is bis DPS gear.
a fury would be a better off tank. druids are pretty much only good at healing & tanking, so whenever the bear isn’t main tanking it’s pretty useless.
any link for threat comparison?
You answered your own question the reason why fury prot done well in classic and had increased threat is the plate gear was mostly DPS gear that and world buffs made it worthwhile everything scaled really well tbc itemization is not that good in tbc and no world buffs and fury is sub par spec in terms of DPS until the last phases.
Tbc prot warrior talents make it extremely worthwhile for survivability if your outputting 2.5-3.5k with a bloodthirst and heroic strike but do 2k threat from a sheild slam which doesn’t get worse the more tanky gear you wear it’s clear cut and if you want a high threat tank you would just take a bear since they have better dodge,hp,armor than you will ever have as a fury prot and put out more threat
the prot survivability talents you miss out on are rather minimal. you are missing out on 5% stamina. Bloodthirst recieved a buff with TBC; 60% increased threat.
Please do provide some raid comparison of fury prot vs feral as I’m interested. Anyhow if you bring a feral to a raid you’d want it to main tank as I said before since feral cat damage is not desirable.
Your thoughts on classic fury is just wrong though
It’s not though there is no raid logs or footage because nobody is stupid enough to run a fury tank in tbc raids that would die as soon as they got a crushing blow I mean they are not even viable outside of normal dungeons they can’t take the pre nerf damage it’s that simple.
If you think improved Defensive stance,sheild mastery and vitality,avoidance cap and the fact that devistate is better than bloodthirst is not important oh and fact that sheild slam scales with block rating deep prot is just better in everyway.
If you need high threat I would take a feral bear mostly doing cat DPS over a fury doing tanking any day of the week I mean you don’t even have deathwish anymore
The only thing fury prot is decent is normal dungeons because of sweeping strikes and whirlwinds because the damage is negligible on normals.
You don’t even understand the basics of fury prot.
Anyway TBC bosses being hard hitting is a meme.
Have a look at this; the hardest hitting boss in t4 vs blue geared tank
https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6M9aj4VNYcHKpDx3#fight=last&type=damage-taken&target=23&view=events
Your log shows a deep prot warrior with 15k armor using sheild slams and devistates the logs do not show what gear he is wearing but I’d assume he has an avoidance cap and even then he’s taking 5-8k crushing damage per swing average and normally 2-3k when he blocked I am sure a fury prot would get melted he sheild blocked 88 times on that encounter and if you plan to run fury prot wearing a sheild 100% a deep prot will out threat you.
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the beta preset was comparable to T3. They don’t have shadow embrace and the inspiration/ancestral fortitude uptime is awful. You’re not near avoidance capped with that preset. This is also the worst case scenario boss for a tank.
Gruul for comparison:
00:00:38.230 Gruul the Dragonkiller Melee Corwykib 4292 Crushing (U: 7449, M: 3157, 42.38%)
Damage comparable to one of the Faerlina Followers.
https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DrQtdTvHaWwzVpCx
I do think it would be foolish to try dualwield on magtheridon, possibly doable with near bis t4 gear, but perfectly doable elsewhere.
ok thanks guys i understand fury is not as viable as proper prot specs
You’ll be fine to do dungeons as a fury, issue is that the difference between full protection tanking with a shield vs dual wield fury is quite alot of mitigation.
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There is no point to play Fury Prot.
Not because Fury Prot is worse, but Deep Prot is so much better with the new Talent Trees. And you get a lot of additional Mitigation, while almost having the same TPS.
All kinds of AoE / Cleave tanking will be done by your Prot Paladin or Druid, the Fury Prot is pointless.
You want a Deep Prot for slow hitting bosses like Gruul. They take way less dmg than a Fury Prot, Druid or Prot Pala in early stages.
Fury no longer has Deathwish, and Sweeping Strikes only works for 10 swings, so like… that’s a massive nerf to Fury’s dps and threat output.
also deep prot has Devastate, which with a slow weapon hits really hard, costs almost no rage, generates tons of threat and can proc windfury.
TBC is going to be that one expansion where Fury is pretty much obsolete compared to both arms and prot.
melee classes aren’t really desired at all for raids, so that’s 1 bummer, add to that the fact that arms gives the 4% extra damage taken debuff which by itself makes arms warriors more desirable over fury + arms warriors get death wish, which again, is a bummer if you want to be fury… i mean you’ll be great at cleaving as fury, but like… have fun only being effective on trash packs and adds then.
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