A lot of people complains about fury warrior sustain so I made myself a war to see real numbers behind all those “huge heals” people are talking about and well… they were right. Lets summarize, at 51 lvl it looks like this (if they have some more at max lvl its even more broken)
20% bitter immunity
40% commanding shout
30% impeding victory
20% frenzied regeneration
3x 20% bloodthrist while frienzed regeneration is active, so in total 60%
170% total and if bloodthrists heal also for a regular 3% its another 9%.
I have most of the classess and if I reached around 80-100% max health heal I was considering it strong. And in a meantime my hunter can heal for a whooping 50% health every 3 mins. Balance, brothers and sisters, balance I have no idea how Im able to sometimes win against furry war with my hunter. Seriously, no idea. They were probably new to the spec or something.
For starters, that isn’t how it works. Secondly, that’s a lot of CDs. Thirdly, everything except the damage mitigation is affected by dampening (don’t remember if commanding shout is affected by dampening, but the health is lost once the effect ends anyway, so it’s more like a “temporary heal”).
And then there are PvP modifiers too.
Although, for the record, you forgot about the damage mitigation while enrage is up.
rofl we got a new guy in the chat XD, these are heavy cooldown usages and commanding shout doesnt heal XD only give a temorary battle master trinket ,
ahahah, a 3 min cd on bitter immunity, a 1.5 min on self heal, and 3 min on commanding shout XD, this guy , how did you get your hall pass for arena forum?
Rofl, and a warrior speaks XD Im not surprised at all, hahaha. Ofc that will be “heavy cd” for you because you are a warrior main. You’ll never admit there is a balance problem here. And no, this is not a problem with using cds. And yes, commanding shout can be considered “heal” because you have to get through it if you want to or stop attacking for 10+ seconds.
Believe, many other classess would want to have such a “problem” with many cds giving so much sustain. But your words wont change a thing. People are making tons and tons of topics about warriors self heals because there is a problem here.
Sure, a lot of this abilities have different cds but what about it? You can pop it all at once in the bg, in the open world or in the arena, no problem. You prefer have one cd 50% health every 3 mins? You troll or what? Typical warrior lover, no less.
You’re joking, right? Arena has been about CD trading for ages, and you think it’s “no problem” to pop everything all at once? You’re joking, right?
Also, the problem with the selfhealing originates from imp. victory having such a short CD for such a big heal, and also being possible to use it during enraged regen, which yes, it does lead to a disgusting amount of selfhealing.
Wanna know something funny though? If you want a look at what a warrior looks like with no selfhealing worth mentioning, then look at arms and see how that’s performing. The selfhealing is overtuned for fury, yes, but you don’t even come close to where the real problems lie, and arms is what many warrs want to play but it’d be like shooting themselves in their feet.
These are also problems that’d be solved if they’d just get rid of this heavy burst gameplay design and go with high sustained instead.
this is what a clown will say. What do you mean it will be a “heavy cd for him” because he mains warrior, if he mained rogue or warlock suddenly those would be 30 second cooldowns?
You literally listed ALL the class cds, like 3 min cds, even talents noone picks, and if they do, that would be a mega defensive heavy spec.
No warrior over 1500 rating would pop all those at once. If they do, the next go he has nothing and is DEAD DEAD.
You added 3 x bloodthirsts at 60% hp in there for good measure. Everyone disarms/stuns/kites/roots during enraged regen. You are lucky if you get to hit some pets if the lock/hunter/dk forgot to call the back.
You completely disregarded MS+Dampening. This is not pve. Cut those values back like 40% and get the real healing.
Rallying Cry 40%? What? it’s not even healing, and it’s 15% basic talent, 5% if you wanna waste another point into the tree, and 15% if you wanna waste a PvP talent slot. 35% max while losing a lot of other stuff.
There is so much wrong with this I could go on forever. But I will assume trolling.
You can kill DH if he pops Blur + Darkness + netherwalk? no.
You can Kill rogue if he pops Cloak + Evasion + heal + vanish lol. no.
Why do you think someone should be killed through ALL the defensive. jesus.
So what you want to say? You want to say that war have to press his healing cds in a smart way and this is a problem or what? I want to have such a problems with my hunter…
And what about other fights? In open world or bgs? There you pop anything you need to survive and kill your opponent. You dont need to pop this all at once. Just one after another is there is a need for this until you enemy is dead.
Warriors are broken. Maybe they don’t have OP dmg, but the amount of stuns and roots they have, along with their defensives, self heals and mobility, they are too strong. I play a ww monk, and even through defensive cds they crush me, while my strongest burst barely makes a dent in them when they have their defensives up.
Or maybe I just don’t know how to counter warriors. I used to be able to easily, but a lot has changed since I played it seems.
Facepalm. I think you are not reading what Im writing at all. Ok Im out of this topic, have better things to do. I’ll let other people who creates topics (daily topics, lol) about fury wars do the work.
Yep, I’m the one who didn’t read the thread. Sure thing. Why did I even need to go through the trouble to quote this when you could’ve just scrolled up…
The self healing is insane but this isn’t the way to measure their self heal tbh, you’re best off looking at a load of healing per second over games and seeing how it’s broken down
I have no idea how Im able to sometimes win against furry war with my hunter. Seriously, no idea. They were probably new to the spec or something.
