Fury warrior Season 3 Mythic+ Fix Reck & Avatar to 1 minute CD

Currently 1,5 minute CD on Avatar/Reck feels too long for Fury. I feel 1 minute is enough after having tested it on PTR.

The recommended fix:
Titan’s torment also reducing the cooldown of Avatar/Reck by 30 seconds would solve many problems. and bring fury closer to the rest by being able to Cooldown every minute like we used to this season. With this also giving the tier set a bit more value.

Fury Warrior tierset value is already off the charts - so don’t believe we need more from there. We likely need more from base damage increases if we should prove to be struggling.

Last time I looked up numbers, fury tierset was a ~30% damage bump up. On avg, it is around 15% for specs per tier; for reference our first tier set was ~3%. Based on this, I say we don’t have to worry about our value for (2)+(4) set.

A problem with putting TT on a 1min CD, would desync from spear and other CDs. It would not line well up with OF itself, nor would it do anything but have OF even more shackled as a baseline ability.

I am sorry, but if you want TT current design to get more value, then the best way to do so is buffing OF as a baseline ability. A solid 51% on OF would do wonders, then - in a dream world you would even delink OF and TT, then let OF nodes fly free and high. Then you could turn TT to a standalone avatar modifier that could work with all builds.

Something like, when you pop avatar, your abilities do nature damage as lightning during the duration or something else animation/SFX flashy and fun. A neat damage bump in PvE, makes it a high threat CD in PvP vs Plate, but does not overly scale against cloth wearers. Also, its would fit the rule of cool (the most important rule). Having us look badass during it.

More OFs or Avatar does not equal more fun. Harder hitting OFs equals more fun :dracthyr_nod: I would even argue that SFX/Animations are more important to the feel of the spec, than numbers and equal to rotation. It is the main reason people hate on slam, have you used it as a Nelf? Oboii is it sad. On-press it is basically just a Raging Blow functionally, but the sound and animation is dungdung… :dracthyr_uwahh_animated:

If you want more OF (or avatar uptime), then the tierset is already giving that a plenty. More would just be overkill uptime levels.

Perhaps there are some key problems that I am not seeing or am aware of, yet - from my stance, this would just create more than it solves.

I will write here to respond to every point mentioned.

Last time I looked up numbers, fury tierset was a ~30% damage bump up. On avg, it is around 15% for specs per tier; for reference our first tier set was ~3%. Based on this, I say we don’t have to worry about our value for (2)+(4) set.

  • Yes but by swapping our build from Rav AM + Uproar to a lesser build (Odyns Reckless Annihilator) we lose about 20 % base damage on Aoe, the tier set just puts us back in the position we are already at right now (This is accurately tested in Mythic+ and on dummies and has been simmed).

A problem with putting TT on a 1min CD, would desync from spear and other CDs. It would not line well up with OF itself, nor would it do anything but have OF even more shackled as a baseline ability. So the gain is very little from the actual tier set due to the build we are forced into.

  • Odyn’s fury doesn’t have to allign with Avatar/Reck as Odyn’s itself already proc’s Avatar, in Mythic+ for maximum damage output you already use it Off-cd most of the time without alligning it as there is almost no beneficial dps gain from holding. Uproar would make Thunderous roar sync with Avatar/Reck if it was on a 1 minute cd on the other hand. So the point of de-sync is invalid. The whole idea is for us to get avatar and thunderous roar on the same CD while using Uproar, so we can cooldown every minute instead of 1,5 minutes (Outside of odyn’s fury).

Perhaps there are some key problems that I am not seeing or am aware of, yet - from my stance, this would just create more than it solves.

There are problems in Mythic+ on the PTR currently if compared to other classes. One of the main issue is that our Cooldown of Avatar/Reck is too long, if we could use uproar and use Avatar + Reck+ Thunderous roar every 1 minute, we would have to hold our cooldowns less and have less of a mess in dungeons. The real problem is there’s no place for 1,5 minute cooldowns if playing with certain classes, as you’ll end up getting it back in most cases when it’s toolate. Making it akward. The cooldown is also not strong enough to be considered 1,5 minute but rather should be 1 minute. Please throw in simulations, and see the PTR dungeons, i’m not done with testing but we’ve played several +24-26 keys on PTR and it’s a returning problem.

I would prefer it to be a strong 1.5 min cd over a weak 1 min cd.
Buff reck/avatar dmg.

Rav/AM is viable, so if you want to go that path, you can. Now, “the lesser build” Annhi/RA, is likely better, just from OF CDR AoE value. But, if the case is that there is a 20% diff between Annhi/RA and AM/Rav, then you can play old OF AM/Rav build. It should do better, and you get the playstyle you are asking for - that is pure win/win.

I have tried both on the PTR, both seem to end up more or less at the same DPS overalls endpoints in the same dungeons. Main difference is that Annhi/RA does better on prio targets and bosses, so it could be a forti vs tyra question. AM/Rav does better on irregular pulls, where your CDs wouldn’t line up.

OF is 45 sec, two casts are 1.5min, it doesn’t matter if you delay it 5 sec into the pull. It still aligns as a 1.5min + 5sec timing. That will never change. If you put in a 1min CD, then OF is 15 sec off all the time after the first cast. So you either got to delay OF or you got to delay your 1min.

Fury is looking to be fine, if you don’t compare them to the broken outliers, like DH or rogue. Also, in DPS numbers, we don’t even know how routing/pulls, gearing and legendary will pan out yet.

From the testing I have done and from what I seen/heard. Basicaly, we are the same DPS spot, with a bit more ST focus this time around.

We don’t need to move our Avatar to 1min CD. As it won’t really fix anything this tier, and it will only scuff every tier in the future that want to base itself around 1.5min CDs and timings. Not to mention, TT and OF goes hand in hand - as I mentioned above.

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