So the building’s original purpose is to be off-limits unless you’re the mayor…?
I’m sure that if the market community were directly approached with these concerns they’d be willing to adapt and work together…? RP is collaborative by nature, and I think the organisers would understand.
From what I’ve gathered, their presence within Dawn’s Blossom is largely temporary - I believe it was simply the location that received the most votes. The original intention was to move to Valdrakken if (hopefully) it becomes available.
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I’m willing to bet a substantial amount of money that this isn’t the case. You’re overreacting.
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There are Alliance players in these type of communities that straight up deny that the Forsaken even exist outside of Tirisfal Glades and how Lordaeron lore has been ‘ruined’ ever since (reads notes) Warcraft 3: Reign of Chaos’s The Scourge of Lordaeron’s Chapter Three.
It’s not that we’re particularly enthused by it. It’s that after months, if not years, of speaking to a wall that openly takes pride from ignoring the lore and, most importantly, being a bother to anyone who does, you learn not to interact with them. The only thing to gain from trying to explain to a community that constantly makes a habit of proudly defying the very basis of the setting that was established before they were even born all the way back in 2001, and with no roleplay etiquette to boot - is a headache. They are already well aware it does not make sense. Being told that they are doesn’t make them unable to type on a keyboard.
In a similar vein, this is what is happening with using Pandaria as a set dressing. Pandaren players have seen it be used by people who couldn’t give less of a damn about the part of the setting they are constantly engaging with, but, after years of knowing that talking with people who do this to perhaps do it somewhere else that makes more sense is an exercise in futility, they simply decide not to interact with it.
It’s not that people are passive. It’s that if you don’t acknowledge the setting or any kind of roleplay etiquette to try and make a small enough hobby space comfortable for those who are in it, why would we acknowledge you? To give satisfaction to someone who takes pride in voluntarily paying fifteen bucks a month to engage in a setting they never liked to begin with?
People can do with their subscription money whatever the hell they want with it, but it goes both ways. If you can ignore the setting, and any notion of kindness and respect towards your fellow roleplayer, people can and most likely will ignore you in kind.
Don’t take a lack of tolerance for people’s weird antics as a lack of care.
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I’m not sure what I was expecting when I opened this thread with several hundred new posts but it wasn’t the Pandaren Defence League.
My very off the cuff perspective here is that the in-game world is very limited and towns often have a grand total of about five buildings if we’re lucky and repurposing or reimagining a building into something else for an evening is very difficult to avoid.
If they’re not outright saying “this is the mayor’s house and we’ve colonised it” on an in-character level, I guess I’d just suspend my disbelief or not attend so that my immersion isn’t given a kick.
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My point exactly.
Good luck navigating the world with the intent of never using a building/place beyond its “original purpose.”
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Not commenting on the forsaken part because I don’t RP up north and don’t know how people act up there, but at least in terms of the Pandaren stuff - is it that people aren’t acknowledging the setting, or is it that people aren’t acknowledging an interpretation of the setting?
I think it’s equally as valid to think that Pandaren might distrust outsiders as it is to think they might welcome them. The Alliance and Horde have both helped and harmed pandaria - to act as if they’ve only done one discredits the other, and that’s where my problem lies with all of this.
If Pandaren RPers want to RP around outsiders with distrust then they’re welcome to do so, but then that shouldn’t be seen as “every NPC in this area also acts this exact same way”
Baron Revilgaz and Fleet Master Seahorn looking at two pirate RPers in a flintlock showdown at the top of the Salty Sailor before dying to somebody who’s farming Bloodsail Rep: 
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I’d almost get the impression forsaken players don’t like it when yet another historical revisionist norf group begins acting as if Andorhal hasn’t been solidly forsaken territory since cata
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I’m not denying the Pandaren aren’t a stereotypical Western take on Eastern cultures. It’s glaringly obvious that Blizzard is sticking to the same old tropes when it comes to depicting a pan-asian fantasy setting.
That’s not the issue, though.
My issue are the double standards and irony of some players in this thread claiming people outside their community are the ones lorebreaking and trying to use Pandaria for a “colonized oriental backdrop” while, in the same breath, using a real-life term from Feudal Japan for their guild’s namesake and fully integrating that name into the RP world lol
If I could post memes here it’d be one of a lifeless, abandoned Dawn’s Blossom consigned to RP desolation with two Pandaren in the foreground:
“We did it! We saved the city…”
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Thank you for taking the time to explain. I’ll admit I don’t how dojos are treated in the pandaren culture, but in some cases they’ve been used as community centers as well in the real world - at least the Wuguan that is the Chinese equivalent of a dojo. I of course don’t know if the house is used IC for what it is in the canon world, which others wrote about.
As for the food aspect, I personally wouldn’t find it too unreasonable for a character to ask if they could use the tavern kitchen alongside the NPC working there, as long as they don’t claim ownership of the building. Do you know if anyone from the Pandaren community has offered to help run the tavern during these events providing Pandaren cuisine?
Have you reached out to the market organizers to discuss the concerns you’ve raised? I noticed that others in the thread have mentioned they’re already thinking about ways to better integrate the event into the area.
Personally, I think there are other areas in the world that could suit a neutral event like this. I’m just trying to understand why the concept is perceived so abrasive from the setting point of view.
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I was mostly just being tongue in cheek there. I can understand why pandaren roleplayers might feel protective over a zone/area in Pandaria even if I don’t agree–from what I’ve read so far–with their response to the situation.
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Oh yeah, of course. And I get some of what they’re saying too. But like you said, I was taken aback by the initial levels of hostility for what is - at most - a weekly event on a Tuesday night in one village.
… In a whole continent of villages. By people who, as far as I know, haven’t intentionally acted in a disrespectful manner.
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I think a market in Pandaria could happen. I don’t think anyone would be really arguing against it - or at least, I hope they aren’t. I think people are mostly just a little mad that it’s one of many events in Pandaria in which there was no attempt to include the lore of the zone, rather than doing the same event with no different flavoring to fit to the zone it’s being made on. They are likely just incensed because it’s been happening for years.
Personally, I think that a Pandaren monastic dojo is not the best place for a fundraiser market for the survivors of a faction that actively fought in the war that nearly tore Pandaria asunder had it not been for Taran Zhu’s constant ear pinching. There are a thousand spots in Pandaria which I think would be better suited for this.
Think it this way; do you think it would be well-received to make a market in Moonglade as a fundraiser for The Sunreavers? It’s not that people think the concept of a market like that wouldn’t exist, it’s just that there are many thematic places that can be used if you really don’t want to change anything about what the event is in its essence.
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My position mostly falls back on this: why are we trying to police what people are doing with their roleplay when it presumably doesn’t harm anyone else?
In addition I’d also ask whether Dawn’s Blossom is being used on this market event day by anyone else, particularly by anyone who was actively there before the Kirin Tor diaspora moved in. If it was otherwise empty and unused, then it just feels like a territorial response rather than genuine criticism.
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“We did it! We saved the city…”
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It is kind of ridiculous to me that seemingly nobody decided to use the area of Pandaria that is actually very well-known for a form of foreign markets and trade which is what Half-Hill is. Genuinely curious: why was a half-hill cuisine market not considered an immediate option? It is a Pandaren area, but one that has since opening up, been a huge cuillinary backdrop for chefs of all races and cultures to mix, mingle and experiment.
I could very easily see and understand some sort of Half-Hill Cuisine Market happening, that actually seems vaguely interesting to me as a market concept to raise funding and provide relief-aid, but a sleepy Pandaren village that isn’t ever displayed as a foreign trade hub or foreign trade area doesn’t really fit that same bill.
This is fine actually and happens to 90% of Azeroth already. No RP is better than aesthetically and narratively disjointed RP filling up an area.
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Or that they exist at all, or any other race bar humans (and maybe elves). That based on an experience I had 5-6 years ago, so I hope it’s not really the case anymore.
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I am not enthused and it sucks to have to avoid people if you want a relatively lore adherent experience roleplaying, but thankfully these types of guilds don’t tend to last that long.
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