Or maybe…Listen its really crazy,you can do like me and without even ilvl 600 do 9-10s week 1,for your 613ilvl should be even easier.
I havent touched dungeons in general so far did only delves got to 610 ilvl i think , now i should start to learn and do M+ but i think il just quit if its this bad, D4 expansion coming this week so…
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I couldn’t kill it with feral and fury 
how did you guys kill it at all?)
Not as bad as it used to be.
I hit it till its health hit zero.
I’m not sure what to say, avoid stuff, kill egg, kick spittle (or use a snare removal to remove it)
And it almost feels like they are trolling in these dungeons:
- necrotic, they nerfed the spears and it’s now all about stichflesh
- A Kara, all about the last boss and that annoying puddle mechanic
- Grim batol and the second to last boss
- Stonevault and the crystal and double boss
- Siege and the last boss and maybe the water boss.
- Dawnbreaker ironically is probably less annoying than the ones above
- Mists all about the maze and the second boss, time wasted in maze or a wipe on that boss is pretty much an untimed key.
- City of threads is all about ball boss and last
And then on top you add a death penalty affix.
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if Ion wasnt fired for what he has done in wow in last years those incompetent peopel wont get fired either.
they wanted to kill m+ and force people back into mythic raiding and they succeded.
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not everyone is ultra pro tryhard.
general playerbase needs like 615+ to even complete +7 .
and then they are hardblocked because they have no chance to complete +9 with 619.
game is over for them - some people still delude themsleves - smart people just cba and fool in dvelves till their sub run out.
bilizzard succeded in what they wanted for year - killing m+ .
Then the “general” player base needs to learn that +9/+10 can actually be difficult and not expect stuff to fall over once you fart at them and get free myth stuff from it.
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The problem with attitudes like this, while I don’t entirely disagree with them, are they have always made the game’s popularity drop off a cliff.
Given that the heroic raid, and t8 delves are significantly easier than most M+ and yet offer similar rewards, it’s already hard to convince people who don’t enjoy m+ for the fun of it to run keys.
Take away the fun part of “those who run keys for the fun of it” and you have a dead game mode, and eventually no-one playing, because m+ is also the only part of the game that has the potential to last forever.
It’s all well and good to decree “people don’t need the drops from 10s” yeah? Well people want them and what happens when people don’t get what they want? They quit.
When there are only 1% of the playerbase still playing, who are happy with the current system, there will be a new problem, is it financially viable to keep the game going.
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It’s the same problem with hardcore full loot pvp games, they only retain a niche playerbase, which is fine if the costs of running it are low, but if you’re blizzard, I imagine it I wouldn’t be.
its the end-game. The cream of the crop so to speak. People accept that CE is for the “0.1%”, majority(personal guess) wont probably step into mythic raids and peps tend be content with that as well. At least I don’t see any “I demand CE because I pay the sub too!” posts around.
Yet M+ is suddenly “the exception” and people are demanding +10 myth which are equivalent to mythic raiding rewards because… “I pay the sub too?”
You got lower levels, you got lower difficulties for more “casual folks” yet somehow demand rewards to be just as sparkly as the hard core guys…again…because you pay the sub too?
Then perhaps lets just scrap all this gearing in the first place and send out everyone their bis 639 gear and problem solved?..oh wait…I think there will be complaints about Blizzard making some people go to the mailbox to get said gear.
M+ is popular because it was fun
People accepted that CE wasn’t for them, because M+ was a route to get those same items and rewards.
Deny them both and threads like this are the result.
Close enough doors to people, and they’ll leave the building.
In 2016 - 2017 I played a lot of Overwatch, I wasn’t great, but I was matched with people at my skill level and so it was a fun way to waste a couple of hours.
Now, I get matched with people I couldn’t beat in a million years, so I stopped playing.
Fun can be subjective.
If by fun meaning “getting showered in myth gear for breathing” then I will agree to disagree and move on.
IF we are talking about certain affixes then yes, Its a different matter and I agree fully that it needs to be resolved.
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I don’t think making 10s as hard as the portal dungeons were in s3 is quite “mythic gear for breathing”, however I’ve stated on several threads that the scaling would be fine without the 15sec death affix.
Remember a significant portion of the player base can’t even get curve without getting gear from higher keys, elitism is only going to close more doors, and with it Blizzard biting the hand that ironically, allows them to fund the more elitest parts of the game, like eSports tournaments and events.
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Some people don’t know the difference between “elitism” and “entitlement” and scream “u toxec elitist” at anyone who even mildly disagrees with them.
I consider myself a medicore player. I know well enough not to stand in 
and I am planets away from CE yet I still try my best in mythic raiding even if I finish the season with 1/8M for example. If I want CE, I need to work for it and only one who is stopping me from getting that…is me. Either skill or time issue or both combined. Not once I had the idea "that I should demand Blizz a CE or mythic gear handout because I pAy tHe sUB tOO! ".
Yet some people here. The moment you even mention the idea “of working for an higher reward” they go full “omgez u gatekeeper elitist!” rampage.
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Fascinating! I’m at a similar ilvl and getting portals. Skill issue?
Yep a well known blood elf hunter likes to yell that whilst being an elitist themselves the irony is lost on them.
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Going back down to 5 would be great for everyone.
Slightly extreme.
Broadly speaking there were 2 gearing paths.
- "I’m awesome at this game, I have access to the best stuff from day one. Because I’m awesome!"
- “I wish I was awesome at the game but I have a life, I’m old and the cat ate my homework and people who are better than me are sweaty nerds anyway lol!” In previous seasons the game gave these people a pathway to better gear which let them climb higher which gave them a pathway to yet slightly better gear.
For 2) - that pathway has been replaced by a cliff. I suspect a lot of people will just say “No thanks”
Someone on the US forums linked a really old tweet by Ghostcrawler the other day from cata / 2013 that said something like “People think that when we put in really hard content people will rise to the occasion and “get good”, we have found the opposite”
I like overcoming challenges and trying to get better, but at its heart this game is about gear acquisition. If people can’t progress on the gear front they will quit. Forget the noise on the forums. There are hundreds of thousands of people that will simply unsub and move on.
There is a happy medium between “lol welfare epics” and “earn it the hard way” and the pendulum has swung a bit too far (in my opinion).
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