You do realize that by this new Gdkp ban rules, that would be classified as Gdkp-ing, yeah?
Yeah, the question is far more complicated than what you’re trying to make it sound.
Check the blue thread on Gdkp, I have a post there with some scenarios to help you realize how deep it can go.
You know very well this isn’t GDKP, it is you buying an item which another player won.
Except it is, according to the new rules.
Are you perhaps able to provide any source to back up your claim?
GDKP = Each BOP/BOE is auctioned in the raid, the Raid leader pockets the bid.
At the end of the raid the raid leader keeps a large commission and redistributes the rest “fairly” 
among the other raid members. (If I don’t say stupid things?)
That you decide to buy a BOE won on a roll cupi by another member, is not GDKP.
That you decide to buy/sell a BOE won on a roll need, it is mainly like ninja looting.
You are really trying (I wonder why) to complicate something relatively simple.
Need/Cupi/pass or any other attributions defined by the raid leader upstream, which does not require a financial transaction or barter.
What exactly constitutes a “gold bid” or GDKP raid?
- We’re defining GDKP as any raid or dungeon run where items are awarded in exchange for gold. Please note that we have multiple detection methods for GDKP that are effective both inside and outside of dungeon or raid instances.
The blue post. Any raid or dungeon item that is given in exchange for gold falls under the definition of a GDKP. Which means that even if you roll an item, if you later sell it (and according to that quoted part, this includes doing it outside the raid), it is safe to assume that any trade involving items dropping from a raid (to another player from that raid), since it will fall under that rule and will, thus, be a bannable offense.
The fact that people roll on it will be irrelevant, and I can give you multiple reasons why (such as, for example, the rolls being limited to certain people who the raid leaders may classify as being able to roll on the items, preventing other players from rolling). So in the end, even if an item is rolled for, that roll may be faulty and malicious, and the gold for item exchange will prevail and, allegedly, the system will issue a ban.
Simple, don’t give gold to other players, when your not baying a item you normal can Bay over AH.
If it smells/look/feel like GDKP it is GDKP.
Dude your posting abort This to much! Just find a new game to destroy.
I mean the quoted text seems pretty clear to me. Just don’t purchase any items for gold, roll on them, win or lose, and you’ll be fine.
Now, what is really being asked in this thread is how far can I take it without getting banned? I obviously don’t work at Blizzard, but I would assume you can get pretty close to the edge without going over it, i.e. getting banned. But where that edge is remains to be seen, and where it will be in the future might be subject to change. If Blizzard sees that people are doing this and that to get around the ban, they will probably act accordingly.
I will just be buying items from gray parsers(GDKP haters) in normal raids, dont need GDKPs
There’s really nothing else to add.
Yes, you don’t want to read, don’t. Suit yourself man, have a good day.
But then if you end up getting a ban for something that you had no idea was against the rules, don’t come cry on the forums plz
No, it’s you who doesn’t seem to understand.
If you roll need, you equip.
If you roll cupi, you do what you want with it, AH, your alt, or trade to another player (but you obviously do this outside of the raid to avoid any confusion)
If the raid is in ML and a BOE/BOP is awarded by auction = GDKPs.
Don’t be stupid, you’ll get burned and you shouldn’t cry.
I’m not risking anything, don’t worry, I’ve been playing with the rules established by Blizzard since the release of WoW in 2004/2005.
Ok, you seem to be well informed.
Please answer these questions:
1- Does and MS>OS raid involve BoE’s?
If it does, then I’m afraid I have been scamming everyone that has been coming into my raids, since I always stated BoE’s would be raid rolled, even in MS>OS raids. Yet somehow no one told me that what I did by setting that rule WHILE still saying MS>OS is a scam.
2- Considering an MS>OS raid, what happens when no one needs a BoE? Do I, as the raid organizer, get to keep it? Or does everyone in the raid who can possibly use it for OS now roll on it, since there is no way of knowing if the item is actually an OS upgrade for those players? (as people don’t have their OS items equipped when they join a raid, and even if they have an OS item that is better than the BoE that dropped, they may well claim that the BoE is better)
3- What about vanity items that are neither MS>OS, like the vanity sunglasses that are in the Gnomeregan loot table? Do I get to keep all of those, since I’m the raid leader? Am I allowed to sell them?
Also, you said “you obviously do this outside of the raid to avoid any confusion”, but the blue post states that the system has ways of detecting that kind of act both inside and outside the raid instance, so how does that work?
And yes, I’ve been doing that too, and if you did read my post in the blue thread, you would even know how I set the rules in my raids.
PS: in case you haven’t noticed yet, the reason why I’m asking these questions regarding BoE’s is because I raid roll BoE’s in my raids. The idea of HR’s is one I don’t like, but I also wouldn’t enjoy the idea of someone rolling on a BoE as OS simply to take the chance of getting an item they can later sell (and yes, even if they equip it and then vendor it), even when they don’t need it, simply to make a small buck, while denying everyone the chance of maybe making a small profit of a random BoE that almost no one ever needs as an upgrade.
Look, I don’t know what to answer you because obviously, a very simple thing seems to be causing you a problem.
If among all the items dropped in a raid only one seems to have been exchanged for gold (a player wins an item by a cupi roll, another player wants to buy it, an exchange is made) I don’t think that will trigger Blizzard’s GDKP detection bot/whatever.
On the other hand, I reiterate:
If you need an item, you roll need and you equip/keep it, because you NEED it.
If you don’t need the item but want to make a profit from it, you roll cupi and if you win it, you do what you want with it, these are the rules established by Blizzard. You won’t risk ANYTHING.
If MS and ALL raid items are the subject of a financial transaction = GDKP = BAN.
Its called greed not Cupi I have a hard time not reading my name every time I see you write it
English is not my native language, cupidity = greed, I use the term that is closest to the one I know.
it’s “a very simple thing”, and yet you “think” that it won’t trigger, but don’t know for sure.
I “think” so too, but I’m not “sure”. So I guess it isn’t that simple, yeah? That is why I would like to see it clearly clarified. And I’m not asking for clarification to develop some sort of “rule bending”, I simply want to know what to tell my raid members when I host future raids.
Ideally, I would like to still be able to say “MS>OS // 2SR>MS>OS” along with “BoE’s are raid rolls”. Raid rolling BoE’s is what I believe is the best option, for the reasons I’ve already said. I just want to know “for sure” if that is all I need to do, if I need to add some extra info on my macro, or if I actually have to change that rule.
But someone “thinking” that something is like this or like that is not enough for me.
I am sorry for any fuss I may have caused you, I did not wish to offend you in any way, btw. I just host raids on 7 chars and usually the raid leader has the biggest responsibility, so making sure that both me and the rest of the raid members are following ToS rules would be a good thing, since I do not wish for any suspension or ban, neither on me nor on any other raid member.
Peace
If it looks like a pig, sounds like a pig, smells like a pig. It probably is a pig.
Are all items exchanged via auction? No.
At the end of the raid do each raid member receive a sum of gold? No.
So it’s not a GDKP, you’re safe.
Really, I can understand some people’s questions, but it remains simple.
BUT… what if that pig is raised in a chicken coop, taught to trot like a horse, purrs like a kitten, wears a suit and tie and can recite Shakespeare? Will Blizzards animal detection system still recognize it as a pig? Their definition of what is a pig or not is pretty vague in my opinion.