GDKP problem and overgeared ppl on Firemaw

[Meristu-silvermoon]

I thought berny is supposed to be good with money … thats exactly how it works, avoid “performance cuts” and other nonsense, find some good share and just slack there for free gold … super easy if you are heal or something like shaman or shadow priest …

[Bernysanders-firemaw]

@Meristu-silvermoon

thats exactly how it works, avoid “performance cuts” and other nonsense, find some good share and just slack there for free gold … super easy if you are heal or something like shaman or shadow priest …

Yea, Berny going with boomie. All raids wants a boomie.

@Meristu-silvermoon

I thought berny is supposed to be good with money

Not as good. Berny gave away all gold to new players in durotar :x

[Cabbagestew-outland]

@Blazedyo-stormreaver

he’s saying that he wants to get gear conventionally like the game intended it too be.

I think you might just have a different idea of what’s conventional and intended, gold has always been an intended currency to purchase things in the game and has been used as such since launch.

[Siffredi-razorgore]

The problem is not the currency. The problem is the way people acquire this currency. And since now loot is distributed not by effort but by gold=RMTs here is the problem.

[Roninshow-firemaw]

@Blazedyo-stormreaver

How’s the guy saying he wants to get boosted, he’s saying that he wants to get gear conventionally like the game intended it too be.

ie going into a raid with 24 other people that also need gear from the raid not having to pay a premium for gear from people that are running specifically with the intention of selling the gear.

If someone plays overrepresented, low utility class with no gear and expects to be accepted to random groups that set higher standards to join then they effectively ask for a boost. OP want to get into good groups, without committing to a guild, without providing either utility or monetary value and without gearing up his character beforehand, no effort, just reward. Why would pug risk spot on undergeared warrior when you can grab warlock from every street corner?

@Blazedyo-stormreaver

Being in a guild doesn’t have to be the answer, pugs should always be viable way of playing the game without having an attached monetary value.

They are a viable way of playing, but “no guild” does not mean “no effort” (it usually means that you need to put more effort into the game because the social aspect is for the most part not relevant in PUGs). Also, if there is such a demand for non-GDKP pugs that will take undergeared people in then OP can easily make his own group and fill it up in seconds.

[Cabbagestew-outland]

@Siffredi-razorgore

The problem is not the currency. The problem is the way people acquire this currency.

Yeah, but it is as if saying in the ‘real world’: Lets forbid the act of people spending their legitimately earned money on goods and services, so we can make sure people will not try to get money through illegal means.

You’re basically undermining the existence of currency as a concept while also not understanding why this doesn’t work in any economy, including that of wow.

@Siffredi-razorgore

And since now loot is distributed not by effort but by gold=RMTs here is the problem.

‘Effort’ can be described in many ways, and accordingly the market determines what your effort is worth.

Some people want to use their guild and social connections to get items, some people want to do the same boss 20 times with a group of undegeared group of pugs hoping for rng, others decide to spend time to farm up gold and decide to outright buy what they want.

None of these methods are more or less valid than the other, everyone plays the game how they want it, and thinking your method is the ‘intended’ or ‘right’ method just makes you look stupid.

[Siffredi-razorgore]

I think you are kidding yourself just to get your arguments. “legitimately earned money”… Yeah ok. I would really suggest to watch the following video.

This is the state of the game now. Do you like it? I would really like to see blizzard implement P2W now. Sell tokens, BIS items etc. People buy these anyway. At least let this money go to them instead of the bots.

WotLK Classic Is DOOMED If This Doesn't Change

[Cabbagestew-outland]

@Siffredi-razorgore

I think you are kidding yourself just to get your arguments. “legitimately earned money”… Yeah ok.

Just one question, why do you think gold exists in-game? What is its purpose?

I get where you’re coming from, but I’m saying banning free exchange of gold for items in-game is a disproportional hit on the economy and the way how people choose to play and progress through the game. Gold is a currency meant to play a role and exchange in-game value, simple as that.

If the concern is people swiping their real creditcard to XXX in the game world and ruin the experience of others by gaining an advantage and making pugs non-existent, then the focus should really be on better documentation and banning more bots, actually taking away gold/items that are send to people out of nowhere. How difficult that may be.

Alternatively, consider LFD/LFR, I know people have issues with that, but it would offer an alternative to gate keeping with GDKP so they don’t feel the need to buy gold.

Banning the use of gold as a currency for items, skills and time is simply not an option.

[Aßpopa-firemaw]

Some surely will, but we have logs that are valued above any in game measurement of character progression. Everyone knows that achievements are sellable either by carries. However even logs aren’t guarantee as drivers can do them for buyer.

[Jeack-ashbringer]

There are 2 issues mate:

1. You are on the most toxic and desease infected server you can be on
2. Everyone that buys gold on ur server is Directly contributing to the enormous amounts of bots and GDKP runs. It’s a downward spiral effect