Gear matters too much.. Alts are toxic to play

Yes blah blah blah it was worse in Shadowlands

I don’t give a ****

right now you level an alt and the amount of power in ILVL + Enchants + Set Bonus + Crafted gear is such an absurd level difference…

Hnor and Epic gear should have 10% difference maximum… Enchants, Set Bonus’s Crafted gear should all be disabled because Set Bonus’s and Enchants are designed for PVE not PVP.

Until this is sorted, PVP will never be casual enough to have the player base it needs

Warlords and Legion had the most active pvp players base and it was by far the most casual for PVP because one expansion you just bought full epics after capping and Legion you could just jump right in with very little power difference since everything was disabled.

  • Remove Racials
  • Remove Enchants
  • Remove Set Bonus’s
  • Remove Crafted Items
  • Have 1 blue, 1 Epic set with 10% power difference

and you’ll have a far healthier game

Yes WOW is an MMO
Yes WOW is meant to be an RPG

However PVP should not follow these rules because of the nature of how PVP works…

PVP needs to become more casual and once you’ve made it as casual as possible you work on rewards for participation and pushing rating

It’s virtually impossible to kill anybody in Shuffle if you are in greens and queing 2s or 3s as a green player is impossible as nobody will que with you, specially if you aren’t FOTM

increase all conquest generation by 500% and disable the above. PVP will have 10x the players within 8 weeks (specially if you sort out the balance)

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Nothing wrong with the system. Gearing up is easy, and there’s not much of a difference between the green pvp gear and the conq one. Wearing the greens gives you a great Ilvl for pvp anyway.

Gearing system is the best it’s been for a while now. And very alt friendly.

You can even buy honor from other alts and send over. It’s so easy, and never been easier than now. I take that as a win.

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You’re missing the big picture.

It’s an MMO. We want a balanced game, yes, but most of all we want it to be fun.

Getting rid of gear, enchants, racials, etc. goes towards homogenization. They did try this in Legion - with the PVP templates, which were universally hated because people wanted to customize their characters and wanted gear to matter.

That being said, conquest gains should be buffed for sure. 100% with you on that.

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As the person above said . it is not Just MMO it is RPG and you want to turn into into an FPS game . If you want to play FPS , there are FPS games out there .

I do agree on the item level jump though . Its WAAAAAAAY to much . Conquest gear from last season should be like 5 % better than current season honor .
Right now it is worse . And what’s more the item level jumps ridiculously every patch .

Take BC health inflation for instance .
You start the expansion (at level 60) with about 5k-6 HP and end the expansion with 10-12k (max gear at level 70) .

How much did we start this expansion with at level 60 ?
I can’t even remember . Something like 100-130k .
Right now we are 1000-1300k , And we have fated season still to come lol

So basically you had a stat inflation of x2 in BC and now we have a stat inflation of x10 .
That’s just crazy .

In the past of the game to reach 1000k HP it took us from classic to WOD that’s 6 WHOLE expansions .
Now we get the same in 3 patches .
If this goes on next expansion will have a health pool of 10 000k .

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This is something blizzard doesn’t seem to grasp…

A 2000 crit feels rather nice on someone with 10 000 hp. 20 000 on someone with 100 000 is already a notable difference in how you react to numbers. That is why legion is by far the worst expansion ever. The numbers were kind of like diablo 3.

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That is not why templates were “hated.”

They were “hated” because they didn’t allow much customisation, and some templates gave specs the wrong stats, making them perform poorly. We got templates at the moment, too.

Gear still mattered in Legion. The best gear made characters perform about 12% better than blue BG gear.

WoD had the best gearing system and gear balance.

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So I’m having hard time playing right now. I’ve recently broken my hand and some fingers suffered badly :frowning: I don’t queqe this character so far, but really want to play the game. So I’ve made an alt disc. Here’s the link:

https://check-pvp.fr/eu/Soulflayer/%D0%A8%D0%B2%D0%B4%D1%8D%D0%BD%D1%81/

44-22 66.6% winrate.
This character got 1800+ in 2 evenings of gameplay. You can inspect it. This priest has no vault gear, no crafted gear, no embelishments, no tierset, no nothing. Just sent legacy honor from my main to this one, bought greens and started queuing. Gearing is extremely easy, I spent like 15 minutes to get full PvP. Thank you for that Blizzard. No vault gear doesn’t really affect my gameplay. I miss the precog embelishment to be honest, but I have no time to look for a crafter, I play like an hour and a half a day.

I didn’t feel any “HEALER PRESSURE” or MMR issues on this character despite what people on these forums complain about. You just win more than you lose and you climb. Plus honestly, I play with 3 healthy fingers on left hand, while 1 is on Movement constantly. People on this rating are… well, interesting. I do acknowledge that a 0-6 player is really hard to carry, esp as a healer, but it’s possible.

I suggest just relaxing mentally and playing the game, focusing on improvement and your own missplays. Green character is enough to push to “Elite” set.

Good luck,
Disfavor.

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I dont understand the topic, gearing has never been easyer than in DF and cause of it alts are toxic not “toxic to play” as they are easy to gear and easy to attain any ammount of alts one desires. It takes 5min to buy lvl 70 from blizz store and gear it max gear and go play 20th alt.

Were the topic supposed to be reversed or what am I missing here I dont understand. Logically thinking this post is hard to understand.

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This. All the suggestions from OP are nonsense. I am currently gearing an alt and yeah, it is pretty painful. If you queue shuffle with this gear you will go 0-6 for the first 5 lobbies at least which is not fun yourself or the healers (because they inevitably go 3-3) and if you queue rated 2s or 3s you will lose games simply because of gear. Yes, i won games in 2s where i was outgeared (even in “mirrors” (just different healer)) but i had to pull the most insane moves against the most insanly bad players. Idk, at this point they might introduce a vendor where you can buy conquest points for honor…

i have 4 alts that are fully geared… its super easy… for pvp.

if you think maintaining Gear for pvp is hard ? im sorry dude but this isnt the game for you

  • try GuildWars2 where gear means nothing in pvp

one of my alts didnt touch Soloshuffle and i geared him up with Conquest tokens from my healer / Battleground wins
my first time in arena with this alt i had almost a full set of epic pvp gear

if you are going into arena with green gear, try looking at other things to get conquest points

  • look at this hunter im posting on, im half green gear but sitting on 1800 rating, gear is very little to do with getting wins ( yes i know 1800 isnt amazing. but its something )

here are my other alts :

i normally only aim for the elite set, currently working on my shammy
achieved it on my DK , evoker , hunter

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conquest boxes aren’t even out…

Medal of Conquest = gives 50 conquest points.
if you played a healer and won a few games you get these tokens and its account bound meaning you can mail it to an alt .

i got 9 in my bag currently , thats 450 conquest for nothing, had i continued to farm them on my healer i could Conquest cap / gear cap an alt easily.

but that requires you to play a healer in soloQ

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Only thing they could get rid of the conquer cap, so if you wont too go hard and catch up asap you can

I start last week, got unlucky in my first vault no i need at last two week more

I mean I’m not overly fussed about the conq cap. The greens / blues are fine, and even so, the vault and conq can gear you up quickly depending on your RNG for vault.

They normally get rid of the cap near the end of the season.

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Some classes are far harder to gear up than others. I’ve no problem gearing up any of my hybrids, but no one wants to play with pure DPS classes. At least not when it comes to RBGs.

SSR is out of the question for obvious reasons and epic BGs are unplayable because of premades.

And I am not so fond of arenas either.

So, yeah, getting gear on alts is pretty hard.

Greens dont can have set boni, as fsraif i inspect a player 1.5 too 1.65 where i play atm. I see only people with 4 set and full gear

Maybe the hp and stats are not that fsr off but it sums ab

That’s true, but the ilvl is near the same. Although I agree sets bonuses make a big difference.

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I play multi alts. And i can tell you. This gearing system is awfull. Takes time. Disadvantage by a milestone. Conquest growth in gearing an alt is horrendous. Dont want to spam blitz bgs to get fast conquests. I queu up with my healer. To high mmr. First lose 8 to get decent mmr 0 conquest. And then gain some conquest by some wins. But it goes really really slow. Fighting gull geared people with greens. Sometime i get lucky to fight same geared people. Then next match outmatched. It just costs to much time.

Gearing difrence in pvp ilvl shouldn’t be a thing. But thats my opinion

Also cause fulltime job + kids. If i decide to play a new class. First hope i have enough honor on my alts so i can share honor item accountwide. Then the queus. Takes 2 full evenings to get a **decent ilvl. Stuck on the grind when i just want to fight for real where its gear balanced. Also i am wasting someones time since i am totally undergeared. Blabla its better then it used to be. This is just outdated. Even its better then ever. It still feels horrible and outdated. Make it fast phase. And make it fun to play more alts.

Sorry but I disagree with you. After I levelled my main, I levelled an alt, and instantly geared him up in full PvP gear. The PvP gear scales with a great ilvl, which isn’t that much difference to conquest gear. I can do the same with my other alt by buying honor and simply sending it over, which can again, instantly gear my alt in full PvP gear. The slow conq cap is fine to me, I don’t see the issue. It’s been like that for ages now.

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You are literally a DH who’s damage is so overtuned that green gear is on par with most people geared damage