General discussion about Addons

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Now as a opinion i believe addons is using a third party program to get an advantage but of the negative and often toxic side of the game.

(Example dammage meter is often used to keep track of your dammage and others. But this addon is also used to attack others. Such as targetting a lower geared or more inexperience player and calling them out.

This does nothing. It dosent magicaly give better gear to the lad or that he sudently learns his rotation mid raiding or mid dungeon /BG all it realy does is to put a target on the player’s head for people to focus).

So removing and banning such addons should be done. And instead have a default info log in game that says your curent dammage and what it should be compared to your gear. But have no info on others

Cool down trackers in pvp is another one that shouldnt be there because it just flares up your ennemies abilities and gives you info on when to attack. Instead of you knowing itself

These addons and others alike dammages the game in my opinion.

But in general i m all for removing all addons and just have blizz improving the game instead so we dont have to count on addons

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What guide addon are you talking about? Sounds to me you have no clue what you are talking about.

Wow without addons has already been tried in private server world and it crashed and burned. That server was dead on arrival as noone wants this addon stuff except people like yourself that dont really play the game.

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Yes, but no combat related stuff.
I use:

  • BlizzMove
  • Better fishing
  • BuyEmAll
  • Coordinates
  • Dragon Rider
  • HandyNotes
  • World Quests List

And that’s it. I’m fine with that.
I dislike addons made to what I would consider ‘cheat’ in combat.

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But it is also important to keep track of the rest of your group.

For example back in BFA our guild was stuck at zul (is that right? The one where the floor opens after you defeat him)
There was a mechanic that needed dispels.
We wiped and wiped and wiped until my wife looked at how many dispels every healer has done just to see she was basically the only one playing the Mechanik.
After that we could sit down and directly address the people that did not played there mechanics cause when we not had that info everyone was sure they did there stuff right

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But basic comunication would also solve that. So if your wife opened her mouth and asked (is everyone dispelling because we are ment to do that here) then you would get liers who says yes. But atleast next time all are aware of the dispelling

(Example) Marrowgare i think his name is . The bonestorm dude in ICC a simple line was spoken from the RL after 4 attempts and that was (your healers cant heal you if you leave them spiked and to burn allive!) Sudently everyone focused spiked players next fight and boom he was dead. So you dont need a addon for what your voice or fingers can solve.

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The add-on helped identify exactly who was not pulling his weight.
I don’t see anything bad with something like that.
If you do subpar DMG in a raid why shouldn’t other see that and ask what is wrong?

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There lies the problem though. People dont ask in such a way. They tend to be on the more agressive side. And realy attacks the player instead. When such behaviour is around then such a addon shouldnt exist. Specialy not when used in LFR or dungeons to attack others

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I use a ton of utility/quality-of-life addons (Scrap and Angleur my beloved…) and several RP addons that are essential to me as a roleplayer: TRP3 for RP profiles, TRP3 Extended for RP items, DiceMaster for rolling, Tarot for tarot, Elephant for saving the chat, Listener so I can hear when someone pings me.

RPing without those addons would be pretty damn miserable.

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I do use the addons the guild expects from me: Weakauras, Bigwig/DBM and RC loot council. I also use a single addon outside of that: Plater, to have more visible health bars as the base UI’s health bars are terrible when it comes to readability.

I really would not mind not using them, but at this point I do not really think that I can raid without voice warnings. The boss already does voice warnings with audio queues so it is a matter of learning them to perform. Not using them also pushes more pressure on to the raid leader, as in the absence of these addons it is them who gets to act as the raid’s DBM.

On the other hand, throughout the number of guilds I have raided with, I think I can say with confidence that getting rid of addons will affect the casual raiding scene more than the high end raids, as people raiding at that level are willing to adapt and improve while your average casual guild just want to try and get through the raid somehow.

It would have the opposite effect on what most expect, because even if the fights will be tuned to be easier the general player base will still find something else to blame.

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Your performance increases by a significant amount if you use addons.

Adons don’t play for you. And you still have you use your brain. But what they do is filter information, present it in a visible way and help you predict events.

What they do is transform your gameplay from reactive, to proactive. And proactive gameplay is orders of magnitude more performant than reactive.

So this is a miss quote. Addons don’t guide people “with out the players having to use their brain”.

The TLDR of all this is that Blizzard used to put a ton of stuff that happens, of which only ONE was important. That is what the addons did. Filter out all the nonesense and put the important thing on plain sight. So blizzard simply made everything important. So the addons cannot filter anything.

I think there are certain addons that make playing wow impossible. For example, all the healer addons that help you use the party frames more efficiently. Its just such a performance boost that it should be baseline.

Therefore add-ons are OK. What is kind of not OK is that there are still players out there that dont use them. Some dont care or need a performance boost. So its OK for them.

But others are struggling with their own personal challanges because they dont use Addons. And finding the correct information is a bit hard.

So Blizzard should embrace addons. It should create a uniform platform where players know they exist, and can search and install them ingame. And all addon publishers should use certain standards, like showing many pictures of what their addon looks like, what it does, and how it does it. In a clear and concise way.

And within this internal Blizz framework they can veto or ban certain addons or functionalities.

The advantage is that they could say that DBM style WA are banned, but other UI adons are not. And any addon not in their internal platform with their seal of approval is considered illegal.

So addons for Transmog, Addons for AH or pet battles, UI addons… all those would get an automatic APPROVED. All the gameplay ones, all they have to do is look at the results of what they do. Not how it does it. And ban them if they think its a problem for encounter design with out having to invent obscure “hidden auras” to prevent them from working.

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Ah so I can’t have a add-on that helps me and my friends cause others are mean.

Blizz should just start a zero tolerance campaign for flaming and should start to hand out some bans. Nothing large but a day or two will probably be enough to quickly teach people that they can’t just be mean

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Also: the amount of times my dumb butt realized halfway through the HC raid that I’m using my RP addon setup rather than the PVE one stands in direct opposition to people claiming that wah wah these days you can’t play without addons because fights are designed with addons in mind.

You can. :raised_hands:

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Blizzard helped enable the addon heavy environment by competing with the addon makers rather than adding things into the game client themselves. This is why we are where we are today.

In the last 4 months I’ve barely touched the game but when I have it’s been completely addon free. I don’t currently do group content though, people tend to get overdramatic over the smallest most pathetic things and that can happen with friends/guilds too.

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I cannot play my class without addons.

It’s that simple. I won’t play the game anymore.

They have to stop doing this to me first:

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I would preffer a game where addons weren’t required but I don’t see addons the same way you do. For me they are simply small tools like a screwdriver or a brush, the skill requirement and expression is still present and I don’t think using a brush to paint a picture instead of your bare hands would make the picture less valuable or enjoyable.

I think the reason this type of alert addons are so important is because there are so many things going on in a fight that you don’t have enough brainpower to keep track of everything at the same time, so smart working is a must.

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I think it is the content that determines that. For sure you can go through normal and HC, and through most of mythic without relying too much on addons.

But then you get the occasional oddball out. Ovi’nax has such a mechanic overload that it is incredibly hard for the average player to get through without addons. You have to memorise atleast a dozen different egg breaking spots, and also have to coordinate with 7 other people on how to break them.

Add to that the grip requirements for parasites (as well as the knockback coordination for it) and the coordination that you require to decide who takes interrupts on which worm, of which you will have up to three to interrupt at two points of the fight.

I also heard Court is a pain in terms of addon requirements, but I am not that point yet to see.

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I don’t use any sort of add-ons, and no one can demand me to use them.

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