Getting into keys as non-meta, when your own key is a dungeon you don't need for loot or get rating from

[Justadream-draenor]

should make m+ like delve, walk up to dungeon you want to do and launch level, complete level 2 to be able to launch level 3, and so on.

key system is imo dumb.

[Magiola-darksorrow]

@Raymaneh-firemaw

Read my post above. It’s at 10-12s

Eh, in those ranges they’re not even that far behind Disc in popularity. And, arguably, Resto Shaman is much more suitable for pugs at that level…

20.9% of the 10-11 groups have a Resto Shaman, the second most popular healer. I wouldn’t call that “non meta”, at least not at a level where you can complain about not getting into groups.

Imo the only ones who are allowed to complain (healers) are both holys and pres currently. At least…from the meta-discussion perspective.

[Zantria-argent-dawn]

Classic char,
Toxic behaviour,
Complaining about issues that can be solved easily,

Just another day on the forums i guess…

[Lynlia-silvermoon]

You forgot:
Anyone who disagrees with me is a Blizzard shill

[Saani-argent-dawn]

@Raymaneh-firemaw

Terrible. Cancel your subscriptions

Ok, goodbye

[Credulon-thrall]

Probably troll.

Oh, you said spec, my bad

Something tells me the real reason he can´t get into keys is because people already know who he is and don´t want to deal with his trolling…

[Idelía-argent-dawn]

@Credulon-thrall

Something tells me the real reason he can´t get into keys is because people already know who he is and don´t want to deal with his trolling…

I think if he’s at the 10s-12s range that might not even be an issue cause the amount of keys that you see in that level is higher and you can find more players that are progressing those keys.
Usually you start seeing the same people when you step into the “high-end” pugging (probably 15s right now? 16s?), though there could be a rare occasion that you see a player that you have seen before.

I think in this case though, OP is just crashing out.

[Kretías-tarren-mill]

@Raymaneh-firemaw

As a non-meta class

You’re a resto shaman. Your spec isnt the reason why you don’t get into keys for Keystone legend. And it doesnt look much different in the 13 range either given you need like 2 or 3 timed 13s.

You may complain if you’re a paladin, a holy priest because people don’t trust them and disc is safer or god forbid you’re being a pres evoker.

[Irieaala-argent-dawn]

Get yourself a friend to play with.

@Raymaneh-firemaw

As a non-meta class, it gets tedious eye humping the LFG list for 30 mins. By non-meta, you can be so called “A” tier, and get ignored, unless you’re S tier, which they all mostly like to wait for.

Thats how I got to 3k

[Uda-uldum]

@Raymaneh-firemaw

Waste 30 mins pushing a dungeon, to see what else you get, and potentially get the same dilemma but a different dungeon? An hour loss then… It’s STUPID!!!

You are investing your time leveling your key.

Otherwise anything BUT doing a dungeon that drops some loot for you, OR gives you some rating would be considered a waste of time.

So for example depleting a dungeon would be a waste of time. Doing the dungeon you want, but not looting anything would be a waste of time…

Its part of the game. Deal with it.

And PS: The reason why there are so many people on the quew is because there are so many people that try to skip through this “wasted time dungeon” process everyone has to go through. And they fail of course.

In the end, your choice. Waste 40 min in Donorgal quewing. Or waste 40 min of your time doing a dungeon.

[Raymaneh-firemaw]

@Uda-uldum

You are investing your time leveling your key.

Investing… into RNG key swapping to maybe the right dungeon i want… 1/8 if im after one dungeon haha. What a nonsense statement 30mins a pop to see if you get lucky. Poker is better than that! Casinos look better than that.

TERRIBLE EXCUSE.

COME ON MATE SAVE FACE COME ON. OR PHONE A FRIEND.

You people exist… urgh. What a lala land statement that is lol.

Either a payroll or on morphine.

[Exiasee-eonar (Exiasee)]

@Idelía-argent-dawn

Why these people never post in their mains?

Because of one or more of the following:

• They know that someone they play with may find out their forum outbursts, call them out on it and face social reprecussions in-game. Maybe they’re part of a raiding guild and if someone from that guild finds out this post, it will bring a bad light to that guild’s name and lead to his removal.
• They are trying to join groups above what their equipment is “normally” designed for assuming an average player (for example they may want to do a +12 on a 640 character) in order to jump ahead of the progression curve straight into the best rewards by avoiding the grind
• They are trolling

@Justadream-draenor

key system is imo dumb.

The key system wanted to solve/prevent the 2 following issues mainly:

• People playing only the fastest/easiest dungeon over and over instead of all dungeons once they finished their main grind
• The degenerate behaviour of exiting the dungeon and retrying immediately if even a simple pull didn’t go optimal.

[Rombei-nordrassil]

It’s a pain to get a tank or healer especially at low key levels as dps, if been there during season 1, then get high rating i fill the group in 2 minutes and not a bad group either, but it depends on how early in the week i try to play dps, and this is as demo warlock which just got buffed but still considered A+ tier even tho i outdps S tier dps specs almost 99,99% of the time.

[Zantria-argent-dawn]

@Raymaneh-firemaw

COME ON MATE SAVE FACE COME ON

Oh the irony…

[Lynlia-silvermoon]

I honestly just want to ask.

What the hell do you expect Blizzard to do??
Sent hitmen to every keyholders home and force them to invite you at gunpoint?

Its a player driven end-game content. You compete for a spot with others. Sometimes you get a spot, sometimes you dont. Blizzard cant force somebody to invite you.

So stop screaming at the wind. You only look like a yourself.

[Jóóló-drakthul]

@Raymaneh-firemaw

Often people say, push your own keys, well what if you don’t need your key’s dungeon for loot and it gives no rating gains? Waste 30 mins pushing a dungeon, to see what else you get, and potentially get the same dilemma but a different dungeon? An hour loss then… It’s STUPID!!!

So, if you’re not going to get something immediately from your own key, like loot you need or a Rio raise, you won’t play?

What are you playing M+ for?

You should play dungeons just for the fun of it, not just for BiS loot or Rio.

Over the years, I’ve done so many dungeons that didn’t give me anything, just because I enjoy pressing my buttons, dealing damage, playing mechanics, and having fun.

It’s stimulating.

[Lilíith-draenor]

@Dejarous-draenor

In my mind its a game and its weird that no one ever does anything for the pleasure or fun in it. If it doesn’t give score or gear its not on the critical success path so we get pointless whines like these about “wasting” time in a game.

I get it, people want to move forward but Christ, any deviation from the “most efficient” and people lose their minds as if the RWF is slipping from their grasp. It’s a game, its point is to waste time in return for some fun.

Join a community, the one I’m in thousands of keys are run every day, first come first serve until you start getting to high(ish) keys. If you’re still languishing in pug hell its a you problem. The solutions are out there.

its wierd for oyu because you ignore the main reason people play mmorpgs

you play to become stornger

any activity which doesnt offer it - its meanigless in eyes of most players

its blizzard fault that their endgame is failing miserably becuse reward stucture is just a mess because they hate deterministic gearing.

[Lilíith-draenor]

@Lynlia-silvermoon

I honestly just want to ask.

What the hell do you expect Blizzard to do??
Sent hitmen to every keyholders home and force them to invite you at gunpoint?

Its a player driven end-game content. You compete for a spot with others. Sometimes you get a spot, sometimes you dont. Blizzard cant force somebody to invite you.

So stop screaming at the wind. You only look like a yourself.

they could start by doing proper tuning.

but since they tune based on raids - each season you have meta outliners who are 20-30 % ahead of others

in highly ocmpletity enviroment which m+ is ? yeah its a disaster for classes which draw short end of stick

[Lilíith-draenor]

@Rombei-nordrassil

It’s a pain to get a tank or healer especially at low key levels as dps, if been there during season 1, then get high rating i fill the group in 2 minutes and not a bad group either, but it depends on how early in the week i try to play dps, and this is as demo warlock which just got buffed but still considered A+ tier even tho i outdps S tier dps specs almost 99,99% of the time.

low keys are pain to everyone

to those tank too - its very painfull when they join low keys and in literaly every single damn key there is at least 1 dps who is below them on meters

most of low keys are a complete slog because good players just dont play them only try to jump stright to +6 from t11 dvelves at like 650 itlv

[Tsjoh-argent-dawn (Tsjoh)]

@Lilíith-draenor

ow keys are pain to everyone

to those tank too - its very painfull when they join low keys and in literaly every single damn key there is at least 1 dps who is below them on meters

most of low keys are a complete slog because good players just dont play them only try to jump stright to +6 from t11 dvelves at like 650 itlv

I am not considering myself a good player who should jump instant in +6-11, but for now i am nuking low keys. Also with a below tank dps in the group.