Getting into keys as non-meta, when your own key is a dungeon you don't need for loot or get rating from

[Uda-uldum]

@Lilíith-draenor

wow - you just told almost all raiders that they are clearly playing the game wrong because they depend on gearing up week after week to be able to progress instead just playing 24/7 for 2 weeks and then unsub

That is literally how Raiding works. To be more precise: WORKED in the past. Untill alternative means of gearing were introduced.

And those alternative means what they created is that atleast half the raid in any difficulty was cleared in 1 week and then nobody wanted to do it again. Why bother?

In the past (as I said already) there was a purpose to “farming runs”. To gear up people such as to progress in progression bosses. That process, by design, was made to take X amount of time. Which was the life-cycle of the raid in question.

Today “farming runs” dont exist anymore. And blizzard is trying to balance out gear aquisition as best they can. Its what you observe today.

Also, this:

@Lilíith-draenor

just playing 24/7 for 2 weeks and then unsub

Is what RTWF and Title guilds do. Because they can.

The rest, we have to “nerf the boss” by gearing up slowly because we cant play 24/7, or got the skill to raid practically naked. The question is: How long do you take to get there?

My guild takes ~ 1 to 2 months to reach this state with the Heroic Raid. Once its cleared, then people stop playing untill next patch. And many are not even fully geared yet. All they have is their CE achevement, killed the last boss and DONE.

@Lilíith-draenor

but then again - they had to put trnasmog into literlay everything - because if there were some seaosnal events without fat loots/ trnasmog - nobody did them

The difference with mogs is that mogs can only appeal to a fraction of the base. Not everyone likes a “red armour”. But a 20 ilvl increase (bigger yellow numbers) is something that appeals to broader audience.

That is why they are not equivalent.

@Lilíith-draenor

after that ? its falls down the cliff regarding how rewarding everything you do feels. epscialy with how gated you are for first few weeks with runed crests caps

And what do you propose? To add mythic tarck +++ ? Or to drop the ilvl rewards of delves? We are back to square 1 then. Back here discussing the same thing but with a different ilvl number.

If gear is the problem, but changing rewards solves nothing. Maybe gear is not the issue to begin with. Maybe its something else.

[Gloober-aszune]

@Lilíith-draenor

after that ? its falls down the cliff regarding how rewarding everything you do feels.

Only if you only find getting loot rewarding. I play on my VDH just because I find it fun. I doubt he’ll do even a single +10. There is always some drama in the keys I’m either watching or causing, at all levels.

I got sick of Delves because I missed the other players and the heart attack when my health goes low.

[Darkgrim-daggerspine]

@Raymaneh-firemaw

Often people say, push your own keys, well what if you don’t need your key’s dungeon for loot and it gives no rating gains? Waste 30 mins pushing a dungeon, to see what else you get, and potentially get the same dilemma but a different dungeon? An hour loss then… It’s STUPID!!!

Even META gets declined because u are competing against 10000000 other players.

[Isthisabard-quelthalas]

Honestly I somewhat I agree. Gives us the rotation of dungeons+ seasonal and weekly modifiers, thats fair, but let us set the unlocked scale once we unlock it.
ie. By timing +X difficulty you unlock that for all dungeons, no keys needed, just walk in choose the diff at the fountain and pop…pretty much like delves.

[Mazaq-draenor]

@Idelía-argent-dawn

Why these people never post in their mains? What’s a higher than average key? You might find someone with has a different interpretation of the term more often than not

because then there lie is found out