you got resistance auras. all of them.
fire, shadow and frost.
hunter provides nature (they always did).
you have str and agi totems, so yes.
you have windfury from druids, so yes.
earthbind?
ok you can have earthbind, give me bubble.
you got kings too.
hunter uses it, you dont have to dip into prot. win-win for you.
alpha is a rune, so that’s okay.
so what youre saying is, you dont need any auras since youve got all of them as well?
Fire, nature and frost from totems
Shadow from Priests, youve already got str and agi, you got WF from druids.
Although one thing id be actually completely fine with(and it would balance out the factions as well) if you guys got a BoW worthy pulse of mana from every water totem other than mana spring every 5s, since BoW is slightly better than mana spring.
True, and you dont need to use WF totem or talent into it, win-win for you too
Nah, im good without earthbind, you can keep it
so were agreed that tremor aura isnt a problem then?
And i agree on Alpha, since its a rune, its ok
mate, you’re the one who started arguing about resistance auras as if you didn’t have those.
i pointed out that you did, and now you’re like “sO WhaAT yoU aRe SaYiNG Is YoU dON’T hAvE ReSIstaNCE TotEM?”
Bruh.
we’ve always had str, agi and wf totems.
its the fact that you - the alliance got them too - that is the problem.
you’re not supposed to have them, because your faction is not meant to have them.
these totems are for the horde, and horde only, much like the rend head buff which you also managed to snatch for yourself.
the argument that i am making, is that since you got literally every utility spell shaman has at their disposal, we need to have literally every utility spell paladin has at theirs.
freedom, kings and salv is not even half your kit. (sidenote: we already had salv in tranquil air totem btw so this is hardly a good example of a “trade well made”).
you have given less than half of yours in return for all of ours.
and earthbind is not a utility totem, that is an offensive totem, just for the record.
and yes, BoW is vastly superior to mana spring totem in every way.
i am positively surprised to see a paladin player acknowledge the truth for once, undeniable as it is.
joke’s on you, the talent is broken and doesn’t work, so we can’t even improve it even if we wanted to.
its simply another example of something you were given that you shouldn’t have gotten.
just like windfury, agi and str buffs.
the fact you got all our utility spells in superior format is outrageous.
its like if they gave shaman a paladin bubble, but it lasted 20 seconds and had no damage/attack speed reduction, only half the cooldown, and 0 mana cost… and then to add insult to injury, unaffected by GCD.
And my point is, you already have all the auras apart from one thats a talent.
And you already have all of our utility spells. Or am i missing something here?
well if thats the route were taking, you shouldnt have kings, alpha or freedom.
As for bubble, its not a utility spell, its a defensive spell, much like earthbind isnt utility.
And while were at it can we have our racials back too?
Yes, you’re missing lots.
Concentration aura.
Sanctity aura.
Devotion aura.
Retribution aura.
Blessing of Wisdom.
Blessing of Sanctuary.
Blessing of Protection.
You get the point.
Sure, take back your kings, salv and freedom and we can delete the shaman stuff from your faction.
But since there’s 0 chance of that happening at this rate, just give us paladin stuff and bubble.
You can have shamanistic rage in return, since its oh so overpowered (right Wavé?).
You can have your crap sword/mace racials back too, and we’ll take back ours. (yeah, axe and bow skill are horde racials btw).
By that logic, druid got wildstrikes so you don’t have to use windfury totem, win-win for you.
And you know i’m right about this too we are at a point that scaling is making WF obsolete compared to Wildstrikes, not having to weave GoA in between WF is/was a buff and you cannot deny it, This isn’t era where you aren’t gcd locked and can weave all this extra BS in and still perform well. every class is basically GCD locked at the highest level of play. Horde has benefitted from wildstrikes just as much as alliance have. Gnomer phase maybe the only one cause feral was underplayed and shaman started being FoTM.
This story is repetitive and old… I don’t know a single horde raid that actually cares that isn’t running feral druid. It is basically the only REAL choice of WF for both factions now. You use shaman totem if you have no choice. Anyone caring uses WS and GoA.
pretty sure not having to spend talent points is a far better “win” than just using a different totem is.
that is true.
lets not get ahead of ourselves.
horde could have gotten by with just wf totem like we always have just fine.
totemtwist or no.
alliance benefits above and beyond more than horde does because you haven’t got an alternative.
this is more of an issue with the druid wildstrikes rune than wf totem tho, its just so much better than the totem, and that’s why its kinda outrageous.
Ill take it!
If it cant get purged ofc
Deal.
bubble for SR?
/rubs hands
Sure, dosent matter, you will keep whining about paladins 
Hope you enjoy the bubble in pve, i for sure will enjoy unlimited mana as holy in pve
we would be the paladins, so no sale, charlie.
are you a wild growth andy or something?
bubble is for pvp, not pve (other than instant ez threat drop).
enjoy your “unlimited mana” and i’ll enjoy my immortality in pvp while i blast people unopposed.
just block them both like everyone at last wavé is funny sometimes while potato is just the most worthless troll you can find around there.
Ok Wavé.
you can log back on your paladin now
Who are you trying to fool? You will keep whining lol
Part of my charm, it’s paladin humor not everyone gets that. Also nice dunk on potato.
… and people call me a schizo poster…
cringe bro, cringe.
but of course.
that is the forum meta.
even if shaman could single handedly destroy 15 people on their own, i’d find something to complain about - because that’s what paladins are doing, and it seems to have worked in their favor.
No doubt in my mind about that
can you believe that a player from the opposite faction dares ask for anything?
unheard of amirite fellas.
only alliance deserves to have nice things.
in fact, we need to be given all the horde racials on top of all the shaman 
we were given.
potatomilk is a n4zi and a fascist, and he must be removed.