Give us back Rdrood

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Since Patch 1, Restoration Druid (Rdruid) has been severely lacking. Is it possible to show some respect for those who still appreciate this specialization?

Take Lifebloom, for instance. It heals for 250HP over 7 seconds (HOT) and 470HP on bloom. But on a tank with 5k HP? There’s no version where the HOT heals for 30% and the bloom for 70%. Why is that? It’s dreadful in PvE and impractical in PvP.

For the past six months, since the start of Patch 1, Rdruids have only had four rune heals, while other classes have 6-7.

Moreover, the Living Seed doesn’t trigger on any “valuable” spells commonly used by Rdruids, such as Lifebloom (which isn’t great, but better than the rest due to mana efficiency), Wild Growth, and now Efflorescence.

Now, in Patch 3, the set bonus grants a proc on crit for 50% regen on cast. Sounds significant, right? However, the crit bloom of Lifebloom doesn’t proc, and neither does the crit efflorescence.

Why is it that while other classes get to play with runes and various tools, Rdruids are consistently given things they can’t make use of? We’re given half the toys, and even those are unusable. It’s maddening, and it’s been going on for six months.

Do we have to wait until the end of Patch 4, after having spent 18 months watching other classes have fun, just to hope for something? Or must all Rdruids leave the game in order to be considered on par with other classes?

Please, all Rdruids, let’s start a petition. Give us back a competent Restoration Druid who can heal before 7 seconds and isn’t solely reliant on Wild Growth to parse raid damage.

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You do realize you can stack it up to 3 times, ye?
If you do stack it up, those numbers are way off, my druid healed for 1k+ on expiration with 3 stacks at level 40, no way you healing for that at lvl 50 unless you are talking about 1 stack.
In which case… stack more!

I haven’t levelled my Rdruid yet to 50 in this p3, have prioritized other characters, but I was considering trying it out.
To be able to use Living Seed effectively, you need Improved Regrowth for the extra 50% crit chance. With that, I daresay Living Seed WILL become viable. Regrowth would crit for around 1k on my druid at lvl 40, so probably a bit more at lvl 50.

Maybe the key is indeed in that Regrowth talent, eh?

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Junglebeard, thank you for your response, but based on your words, it’s evident that you don’t have a thorough understanding of Restoration Druid mechanics, lack proficiency in the game’s mathematics, and haven’t explored other healing classes.

To cut to the chase, I have extensive experience with Restoration Druid, Paladin healing, which I’ve been playing since Phase 1 and consistently achieve 99th percentile parses in all three raids.

You’ve already responded, but please read the description carefully. You mentioned Lifebloom’s bloom activation, but I’m specifically highlighting that it’s not normal to wait 7 seconds before being able to heal, regardless of the expansion. Additionally, the ratio of HoT (Heal over Time) to bloom is approximately 66% to 33% in all other extension, and for SOD it’s reversed. In 7 seconds, whether in PvP or PvE, anyone can perish, losing over 5,000 HP. Healing for just 750 HP from a 3-stack and waiting 7 seconds for the bloom won’t save anyone.

Regarding the healing power of Lifebloom, it’s worth noting that a Renew has twice the healing/casting power of a Lifebloom (800/LB vs. 1600/renew) and instantly procs, providing effective healing across the board. So, spamming Lifebloom versus Renew already puts you at half the healing power compared to a priest. Anticipate the answer (Rdrood is better raid heal) , while Wildgrowth may have more healing than Circle life, the latter can crit, and the shield from Divine runes, add 30% shield on crits nearly evens out the comparison. Moreover, Chircle life is instant. It’s essential to acknowledge that Prayer of Mending has the most potent healing spell in the game.

Before responding to this post and suggesting Regrowth, have you calculated the spell’s mana efficiency and the healing/casting power, even with Living Seed? I’ve done the math, and I can assure you that if you’re casting Regrowth, you haven’t grasped the most effective way to play your Druid.

To confirm my assertions, you can refer to Warcraft Logs and examine all the top Restoration Druid parses. You’ll notice that no one utilizes Regrowth because it simply doesn’t hold value.

Lastly, please refrain from posting responses that suggest an understanding of topics you’re not well-versed in. It not only wastes people’s time but also spreads misinformation and contributes to confusion.

I say this with utmost kindness, and I hope you receive it as such.

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and healpower still doesn’t works with hots :joy:

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God damn, the entitlement is real.
I play 3 healing characters, in the form of Rdruid, DPriest and HPala.
I have achieved 90+ parses across all of them for the first 2 phases.
The fact that you have 99 parses only means your raids have been babysitting your parses, nothing else. I have never felt the need to be the top 1%, partly because I do not need a pink number to feel like my work is being done well, and also because I would lack the proper amount of money to be spending on deodorant alone.

That being said:

I never claimed Rdruid was better healer than DPriest. Out of all the 3, Priest is -the- best healer, period.
Rdruid is a raid healer and was never, throughout all WoW expansions, designed as a single target healer. If you expect to be the all-around healer all the time, then I’m afraid it is YOU, my friend, who has no idea how healing is supposed to work. It makes sense that it is so, since you base your answers on your boosted parses, where certainly you had a very big role in the total amount of healing done. If you choose to solo heal, then don’t complain about the lack of certain tools to excel in all areas. I could write a whole thesis on how HPaladins lack AoE Heals, that would make your point regarding Rdruids feel more like a ramble of a spoiled little kid.

I know very well how mana efficiency works, tyvm. And although I’m not a mathematician by profession, I daresay I did well enough at school/college in the math-related subjects to be able to tell the difference between the cost/heal amount ratio of different healing spells.

Now you could also have accounted for the fact that I said:

or

Before starting to assume things (like that I’m casting Regrowth). But your need to prove yourself superior must have clogged your brain from processing other information, I guess.
No, I have not yet tested Rdruid at lvl 50, since I have not had the time, or patience, to level another character to 50.

This suggests that you want Rdruid to have big throughput with instant heals. Which leads me to say:

Please refrain from posting responses that suggest an understanding of topics you’re not well-versed in. It not only wastes people’s time but also spreads misinformation and contributes to confusion.

I say this with utmost kindness, and I hope you receive it as such.

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Okay, as I expected, someone mediocre who thinks they know everything and gets salty when proven wrong. Just impossible to talk to such a personality…

“Rdruid is a raid healer and has never been, in all WoW expansions, designed as a single-target healer.” As I mentioned, I already anticipated the response, please make sure to read what people tell you and not just understand what you wish…

The priest is the best Raid healer currently. So it can’t be said that Rdruid is for the role of Raid heal. Plus what you’re saying is totally false, you obviously haven’t played other expansions, because, I won’t go very far, but just in TBC, Rdruid is rank 1 in single-target healing PVP and is above the priest in single-target healing PVE. Just a little below the paladin. So once again my friends, read what I’m writing to you, stop getting upset like a turkey because you’re wrong, and stop spreading misinformation with your mediocre level of game knowledge please

You accept the fact that you don’t have the knowledge in your message, that’s already good, but in this case why take it the wrong way when I tell you? And why comment on a post when you don’t have the knowledge, because you say false and uninformed things, creating disinformation?

Please come to your senses, my friend.

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you realize there are multiple healers that can fill that role?

shamans, priests and druids can raidheal and are good at it.
all healers can ST/Tank heal and are good at it.

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Hello Wavé,

Yes my friend, I am well aware of this, this is precisely what I defend. The Restoration Druid indeed struggles with single-target healing and is no better than a Priest or Shaman in AoE healing.

I’m simply stating this to counter Junglebeard’s argument, which claims that the Druid lacks the ability to heal single-target but is reserved for raid healing (which is false in absolutely all other expansions)

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And since Holy Paladin is the best single target Healer, then no other healers can be considered single target healers?
Logic of a 5 year old xD

I have just checked your character in Armory. You have. Such. A. Nerve.
Search for Dornelond on armory, then tell me who has been playing the longest lmao.

This dude been playing since BfA or whatever, but talks like he knows the ins-and-outs of WoW, and worse, acts like other people know nothing!

PvP has nothing to do with 99 parses. I know that resto druids were the best healers in TBC since, unlike you, I actually played one, and I don’t just spit out information someone else told me xD But Rdruid was >>>>>>>>> any other healer in PvP in TBC.
As for PvE, your information comes from? Because in my (actual) experience, Priests were better in PvE than druids were, for single target. Maybe you know that from the experience (which you don’t have) playing TBC? In fact, Rdruids were considered the overall worst healers in TBC, so I don’t know where your info comes from, but you should maybe check your “facts” first.

Considering all the non-sense you just posted, I’m starting to have serious doubts regarding your “99 parses” tbh x))

Let me remind:

Please refrain from posting responses that suggest an understanding of topics you’re not well-versed in. It not only wastes people’s time but also spreads misinformation and contributes to confusion.

I say this with utmost kindness, and I hope you receive it as such.

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OP doesn’t even play druid. He is just arguing for the sake of arguing

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I’ll just stop wasting my time talking to you, and I’m not even reading what you’re saying because within your first three sentences, you’re still completely off the mark.

Either you need to seek medical attention, or you’re doing it on purpose. It’s well-known that when you’re wrong, you change the direction of the conversation to try to be right.

Now, you’re even at a point where you’re attributing your own arguments to me and arguing against them.

So, no, the argument is simply this: there is only raid druid healing or pal healing mono, and they can only do that. That’s it.

And, as you say, yes, it’s like having the mental age of a five-year-old.

Have a good day. Go take care of another post, and hopefully, you’ll know the subject this time.

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Hello Hoponfresh,

I understand what you mean, and it’s nice to chat with people and get their opinion.

What I reproach in his behavior is to approach a subject where someone announces facts that he knows, and that he, without knowing, comes to dismantle his arguments, taking him for a moron (as if he wasn’t aware that you can stack the Lifebloom) and ultimately contradicting all the arguments of the people with absurdity. This results in denigrating the post. Let’s imagine that someone doesn’t play Druid; they might believe that this person is right when they are wrong in 100% of the elements they say, and this creates enormous misinformation.

To discuss elements when you don’t know, you don’t affirm immediately, and don’t offer irony in your answers.

The problem is that a minority of people in the world have a huge big mouth and talk about subjects they don’t know about while making a lot of noise, so we have the impression that there are a lot of them even though they are, in reality, the only ones who are so informed on the subjects.

And as you can see, he doesn’t give up even though he doesn’t play Druid and doesn’t know anything about it. With each post, he continues to stray further and further from the subject just to try to be right on one point.

In fact, he is playing politics, and his goal is not to have a coherent post and find solutions; it’s just to have fun winning debates when he’s not even involved.

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I heard there is a new feature coming in retail, where you can group with AI NPC’s. Sounds something you would like, so you don’t have to play with the plebs, o great parse god.

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That’s you Ørgriwar, not me. OP = Opening poster. That’s… you x)

h ttps://sod.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/2009#metric=hps&partition=1&class=Any

If druid is as terrible as you say, how come about half of the top 100 parsers are druids?

Also, if you check a few of them, you’ll see they have 15-20% of their total healing in the form of… you guessed it: Lifebloom. Why? Cause they actually know you can stack it up to 3 times xD
Best druid parser has around 17% total healing made by Lifebloom.
Third best has almost 35%.
Fourth best has over 30%.
And so on.

Also, stop trying to repeat that other people don’t know about the game when you’ve been playing for 2 expansions and fail at every single attempt of an argument xD

L2p