have you guys seen this?
glad.gg
looks quite interesting as you can check people’s statistics and even review them with upvotes etc. the gg score can also be cool but im afraid it creates problems like raider io. thoughts?
seems nice but i would not want some raider io score for pvp, that sounds horrible.
after all it’s not that big, its just an indicator that ppl can use if they want to. but if you read the popup it explains how the score is calculated and it gives relevance to your current rating / title mostly. there’s a large decay system for old titles and ratings.
i guess time will tell lol
It’s going to backfire when people will start getting declined even more often than before due to just one too many downvotes, which I guess are done anonymously? The game needs less anonymity, not more.
Not to mention the amount of downvotes that’s going to originate from forum activity, some might even start using it as a replacement for the old downvote button. Just, on a 3rd party website is all.
I’m glad I’m only waiting for classic these days.
The site looks great though, except for that one downvote option. It’s like they are begging people to abuse it and gang up with friends to vote down people for random reasons, or unproportionally, and so on and so forth.
I’m not really playing at all anymore, so I’ll even offer my characters up for inspection so you guys can use it as an indicator for if people will downvote someone on that site not for its intended purpose, but instead for some random reason like forum activity.
inb4 how people will eventually notice it happening to themselves in weird ways after a while from having less than great times when pugging. Famous streamers are pretty much guaranteed upvotes for the same flimsy reasons as well, despite people not having played with 'em.
The creator(s) of that site just simply underestimated the social consequences, and the use of those voting options are guaranteed to be used not only for what they were intended, but also for those unrelated random reasons. Because that’s what anonymity online leads to, without fail.
Oh, I just thought of another funny possible reason: What if people start using it on opponents when they don’t like how the opponents played, or when they don’t like the comp that the opponents played? It’s a slippery slope for sure.
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why would a lvl 52 shaman care about arena ratings?
* Rank 1 → 120 points
* Gladiator → 60 points
* Hero of the Alliance/Horde → 60 points
* Elite → 40 points
* Duelist → 30 points
* Rival → 20 points
* Challenger → 10 points
* Highest 2v2 rating → 1 point per 100 rating Example: 2800 → 28 points
* Highest 3v3 rating → 1 point per 100 rating
* Rating above 2600 → 6 points per 100 rating Example: 2800 → 12 points
I just don’t see how it’s important to put a value to this information? Rating and some achievements (mostly based on rating), what does this add?
The rating history can be fun. But the up/downvote is doomed to be misused.
apparently the downvote thing just disappeared. the score can cause problems but after all people already ask for Arena experience before inviting you. if anything this solves the problem of people lying with their last season exp and so on.
It wasn’t really THAT much of a problem anymore, not since check-pvp came in Legion (was so annoying to check armory every time). But yes, this new site is kind of like an upgrade when comparing the functions of the two sites. The upvotes won’t mean anything though. Because 1. there’s no control over who does the voting so it’s susceptible to abuse that way (to present a false image of how you are as a player for example), and 2. such a “statistic” can’t really be interpreted accurately without knowing for how long the player has been pugging for, and how many pug games the player has done with different people.
So when comparing 1 guy with 10 games pugged in 3v3, all with different people, and all of them upvoted the guy on everything and we presume a person can only vote one time each and in all categories (it’s probably possible to bypass such a restriction though, so again, susceptible to abuse and tomfoolery), that guy would then have 20 upvotes in each of them.
Then compare it to a guy that has played 100 games of 3v3, each one with different pugs, and this guy would only get a fifth to upvote him on everything. He would also end up with 20 upvotes in everything.
Then compare it to a guy who played 1000 games of 3v3, but only with the same 2 people in the team. He would then only get 2 upvotes in all if both of them upvote him. And of course, this is again presuming all of that stuff about not abusing etc.
So the only way you can interpret the upvotes is that it happened that many times if you presume nobody abused it or did it for unrelated reasons. You can’t know if it’s rare for the person to get upvoted because you can’t know how many times that person swapped out the people he pugged with, and once several seasons of this has passed then it doesn’t look like you will be able to know how many games the guy has played beyond the current and past season (unless there’s some other criteria for another season to show the games played).
It doesn’t bring much use to have it in there that someone can get upvoted, it’s very susceptible to exploits, and at the end of the day no matter the circumstances, it doesn’t tell you anything of any real value about the person when you see how many times he has been upvoted (or lack thereof).
But yeah, great site otherwise.
But as long as people won’t attribute any value to the amount of upvotes, then it’ll be fine. It’s only a problem if people will start getting selective about who to play with depending on the amount of upvotes, because then it would actually become a real problem.
At least it isn’t as socially detrimental as the downvote option was. Be happy for that!
Ok, I’m only seeing this site now and there doesn’t seem to be any downvote option anymore so I guess the people in this topic did do a good job explaining why it was a terrible idea.
So here are a few things I wanna say in case anyone from the site’s staff is reading this topic:
Design-wise the site looks really nice. Good job!
I like how u can instantly see the number of glad/duelist, rank1, etc titles achieved with a quick look, and the respectful seasons if u mouseover. Same for the “highest rating” and “highest season rating”. Very convenient and practical!
I like the Alts and History sections, thought u could probably include “highest ever rating” + “highest season rating” on top of “current rating” in the alts preview tab so one could quickly tell what character does that player have the highest XP on.
The only suggestion I have atm is to ditch the rating system. It’s pointless. If I already saw that someone achieved glad/rank1 in the past, that alone tells me a lot about the player. And at the same time if I see their current XP is lacking, that tells me a lot. Point being that this rating is nothing but a mere sum of everything that I’m already seeing on their profile anyway.
Also, it seems to only be possible to leave a +1 on either of the 3 (skilled, communicative and friendly) options which kinda makes no sense since a player can be each of these at once.
Oh and btw, the “Recent check” that exists on check-pvp is something I found useful if u wanna tell whether the group u’re signing to cares to check who they inv by seeing your name pop in the list. Also it kinda makes the site look… alive I guess… as weird as that might sound.
EDIT: so your addon is only there to allow quick access to someone’s profile page which is useful but not what a lot of people would like to see - a raider IO like addon but for PvP.
Now ofc, ratings in PvP change all the time but CR wouldn’t be the main goal of such an addon.
If I had the skillset required, I’d make the addon so it shows a few very important things upon which one could quickly make up their mind about the player they’re looking at. Basically upon mouseover, one would see this:
Highest ever rating on that character
Highest ever rating on the account (If higher. Might also show the class it was achieved on)
Highest season rating on that character
Highest season rating on the account (If higher. Might also show the class it was achieved on)
Best PvP achievement for the current expansion from arenas and RBG
Best PvP achievement of all time from arenas and RBG (if better than the one from the current expansion)
U can make it so it shows CR as well thought that would quickly begin to be perceived as inaccurate simply because of how ratings change all the time in arenas.
This is the third website of this kind. Is this really necessary?
As long as the functions on the websites improve, then yes. If the quality declines, then no.
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