Gladiator Mounts & General PvP Feedback

[Zehnya-grim-batol]

You misunderstand everything I say, and you expect me to know what a developer should know.

I don’t know exactly the way to do it, but saying that every other system will not wrong, is kinda negative.

I know Overwatch isn’t a MMO like WoW, but it has tons of different heroes, and solo queueing in that is totally fine, because you have higher chance getting against other people who solo queue often.

I know there is a lot of other games who have heroes or such things with a lot of abilities, who is solo-queueable and other group sizes.

I’m not saying that all this will be fair, but nothing is fair. I’m talking about making the game more accessible, and the current game isn’t fair either.

You sound like you have all the arguments, and im not trying to argue with whats wrong and whats correct.

I bet we both can agree, that the current state of PvP is bad.

I don’t know what to say, because It feels like the PvP community doesn’t want PvP to be more accessible, which to me sounds really stupid.

I’m sure there is a way to make it as fair as possible, just like they did with solo shuffle and such. Its not like they have to make RBGS and 3v3 solo-queue able if that really is against everyone, but locking the gladiator mount only behind 3v3, is bs if you ask me.

Atleast make a recolor for the other modes. They’re only rewarding people playing 3v3 basicly, when they put the best reward behind that mode, and to even play 3v3, you need to sit hours in LFG, to meet toxic people after toxic people, if you’re even lucky to get into a group.

Crazy time consuming, and depressing to sit through so much pain, to get absolutely anywhere.

There is tons of great people who could be good to PvP, who never will get a chance, because people is never giving them a chance, or lets them practice.

[Rannî-silvermoon]

They’d most likely give it as a reward for other brackets too at some point when you consider how dead the 3s bracket already is in a niche game mode.

I honestly don’t care about these mounts but from a business point of view it doesn’t make any sense. 3s is a dead bracket in an already niche game mode and to revive it they’d have to give additional rewards for 3v3. A mount which isn’t accessable for over 99% of the playerbase won’t magically boost 3v3 participation and everybody who thinks otherwise is on massive copium.

[Yojeong-kazzak]

@Zehnya-grim-batol

You misunderstand everything I say, and you expect me to know what a developer should know.

I don’t know exactly the way to do it, but saying that every other system will not wrong, is kinda negative.

If I misunderstood then its due to your own writing. I answer what you write, not the intention behind it.
I never said every other system is wrong either, so not sure what you are trying to make it sound like. I said you havent said any actual info that would make the system better except making it more unfair.

@Zehnya-grim-batol

I know Overwatch isn’t a MMO like WoW, but it has tons of different heroes, and solo queueing in that is totally fine, because you have higher chance getting against other people who solo queue often.

I have played OW before they made some changes when you could as 1-2 ppl end up facing a 5man premade. It was a complete stomp with no chance to winning. Dont fully know how it works now.

@Zehnya-grim-batol

I know there is a lot of other games who have heroes or such things with a lot of abilities, who is solo-queueable and other group sizes.

You know theres alot of games… Just name the ones you have seen have a good system that you believe would be good for WoW and explain how those system work.

and other games can make a system who works, so why wouldn’t World of Warcraft be able to make a structured system who makes people actually be able to play PvP?

The system currently in WoW allows you to play PvP. You want to change that system but you dont really have much backing you up except “trust me” right now.

@Zehnya-grim-batol

I’m not saying that all this will be fair, but nothing is fair. I’m talking about making the game more accessible, and the current game isn’t fair either.

You sound like you have all the arguments, and im not trying to argue with whats wrong and whats correct.

The game is currently more fair compared to if your changes got implemented tonight. I gave examples on why I believe it would be bad and even if any of that kind of system would be implemented what would NEED to change if so.
If you enter as solo and face a 2man premade in 3s thats more unfair.
If you enter as duo but face a 3man premade in 3s thats more unfair.
If you enter as solo but face only solos thats more fair.

My starting argument were solely based on your idea in RBGs which would be one of the worst systems ever made. Solo RBGs and normal RBGs, in my opinion, is way more fair compared to premades vs solos.

@Zehnya-grim-batol

I bet we both can agree, that the current state of PvP is bad.

Current state of PvP is bad for alot of reasons, the “que system” is not the biggest, I would call it a small problem if so.

@Zehnya-grim-batol

I don’t know what to say, because It feels like the PvP community doesn’t want PvP to be more accessible, which to me sounds really stupid.

You want accessible according to your standards.
I see it as quite accessible in its current form with Casual BGs, Epic BGs, 2s, 3s and RSS for solo. Solo RBGs for the ones who dont want to face premades in RBGs.
What they could do, as stated before, if they remove RSS and add the soloque into 2s/3s it HAS to be the format:
Solos vs Solos.
Duos vs Duos.
Premades vs Premades.
Thats how it would end up being the most fair.

@Zehnya-grim-batol

I’m sure there is a way to make it as fair as possible, just like they did with solo shuffle and such. Its not like they have to make RBGS and 3v3 solo-queue able if that really is against everyone, but locking the gladiator mount only behind 3v3, is bs if you ask me.

Atleast make a recolor for the other modes. They’re only rewarding people playing 3v3 basicly, when they put the best reward behind that mode, and to even play 3v3, you need to sit hours in LFG, to meet toxic people after toxic people, if you’re even lucky to get into a group.

And I dont rly believe ppl have that much against recolored for other modes or make some kind of changes.

@Zehnya-grim-batol

There is tons of great people who could be good to PvP, who never will get a chance, because people is never giving them a chance, or lets them practice.

But alot of those ppl just cba either, its not just that they will “never get the chance” they also just dont feel like doing it due to the effort is simply not worth it for them.

People today want instant gratification instead of grinding.