Gladiator Mounts & General PvP Feedback

PVP Arenas
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Hi Everyone!

I’m not sure where I should post this feedback, so I will go send in my feedback here!

As a person who loves PvP, but dislikes the standard 3v3, do I and tons of other people really wish it was possible to earn the Gladiator mounts, or recolors of Gladiator mounts, in the other Ranked PvP Modes.

Personally I love big fights such as in RBGS, but being a solo player, and queueing for RBGS, is such a pain. I’m lucky to have found some people to queue with sometimes, but what I really dislikes about RBGS, 2v2 and 3v3, is that its required to form a full group before even being able to queue.

Thats why I’m a really big fan of the solo shuffle and the upcoming solo/duoable RBGS, because I can just queue for it, and get to actual play, while also being able to improve.

There is just one really bad thing about adding so many different game modes. That is that it will so much harder to find queues, specially as a dps player.

Some seasons ago, did I queue for solo shuffle, and it took me 30 mins at minimum, to get into 1 game of solo shuffle. In 6 hours of playing I sometimes only was able to play like 7 games of solo shuffle. Its so time consuming, and should be like that.

Another big issue with all the different modes, such as 3v3,2v2 and RBGS - That is, that finding a party, can be both really challenging but also really time consuming. Out of like 15 LFG parties, is there 7 groups where people only want to let previous gladiators or r1 in, and maybe 4 other groups who doesn’t fit with my class, and then if im lucky is there a few groups where I can join, but no one wants to let me in, because I have never achieved a high rank - And do you know why I might not have been able to do that? Because no one want to give me a chance. People who is trying to learn PvP, or already know a lot, but haven’t been lucky with the RNG of finding some nice people to queue with, they have absolutely no chance to get high rank, because no one want to play with you.

Thats why I really love solo queue modes, specially the upcoming RBG thing - I really love, that I can just search for it, and play when the queue pops. One really sad thing about this though, is that I will never be able to get the gladiator mounts, and the gladiator mounts has always been my biggest dream to get.

Some of the people I have been playing a bit of RBGS with, at first didn’t know that gladiator mounts wasn’t achieveable from the RBGS, but only from 3v3.

They found it really sad, and I think tons of people does. I don’t understand why the gladiator mount is only achieveable from 3v3? 2400 in any mode is hard, some modes might be easier than others, but its still not easy at all? And I bet the majority of people who doesn’t want the mount to be in any of the other modes, those are the people who is already able to get them?

Locking the best PvP reward behind, a single mode only, and being locked behind so many factors such as finding a group, and such, its just a pain.

Having the gladiator mounts, or recolors being achieveable from the other pvp modes, would give me and probably a lot of others an interest in actually playing a lot more pvp.

Also one really important thing to say about making all these extra queueable modes.

In theory its super cool to be able to queue for a lot of different things of PvP. But what I really think could fix the queue times a lot more, is that instead of making a new 3v3 mode ( solo shuffle ), then make the 3v3 queueable in any party size.

And for the new solo/duo RBGS thing - instead of making an extra queue, why not make RBGS queueable in any group size? It splits the playerbase in so many queues, and its already close to impossible to find people to play with in the current modes.

I know that premade groups would have a higher chance of winning if 3v3, 2v2, and RBGS was queueable in any size. But why is that a bad thing, if it makes the poll of players being much larger?

And in other video games, is it also possible to queue in any party size - why not in WoW? Of course PvP feels dead, when we’re split between so many queues :smiley: ?

I hope this post get seen, and I hope the gladiator mounts will actually get achieveable in other PvP modes aswell - I really don’t understand why they lock the most key thing about pvp behind 1 single mode, who is barely playable for people who have not a team already.

The whole structure of the PvP, is so limited and locked, instead of being welcoming, and open for people to play.

I know there will be a lot of people who will think this is a bad idea, but if you’re one of them, can you please type under this post, why it is a bad thing?

I guarantee you, that the only reasons why you think it is a bad thing is because one or more of these things:

  1. You’re already able to achieve the gladiator mounts
  2. You already have a team, so you can queue when you want
  3. You don’t want it to change, because it have always been in this way
  4. You don’t want to make it accessable for a larger playerbase

What do you guys think?

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I think they should have never devalued glad mount by reducing the requirements so drastically. Instead, if they introduced another mount reward (for example glad mount without armor) for 2400+50 wins and kept gladiator as a 0.5% reward, it’d be fine to compromise and make the mount spread over to other brackets aswell, but currently, them putting glad mount or even just a recolor into other brackets, would completely nuke 3s participation and therefore alienate their “e-sport”, so it’s just logical for them to not do so.

I don’t agree with them keeping 3s alive artificially, eventhough it is objectively the best bracket from a competitive standpoint, it’s just too unpopular, but it is what it is. I also don’t think there is a solution, unless they would be willing to go nuclear on the game and change the direction of PvP fundamentally, putting less emphasize on 3s in general and focusing their efforts on other brackets instead.

Generally I’m all for putting mounts into shuffle, just lifting the requirement a bit, as 2400+50 wins would be too easy to achieve, unless it’s some meaningless throwaway mount, but then no1 would care in the first place. Also I think they should split arena and bg, since the only thing these two have in common is PvP, but it’s fundamentally different games, so a different mount for BG could be interesting and also helpful in reviving the BG scene. I’m actually amazed, that they won’t do it with the next expac, since the introduction of solo queue RBG would have been the perfect time for this and since it’s not happening, it prolly never will.

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This would never work. Its like giving the middle finger to solo players in RBGs then since you will 90-99% of the times loose against premades.
Have you been playing BGs or epic bgs recently when you end up against sync premades? Thats how it would end.

So I dont see it being a healthy thing to do since you would make even more ppl quit.

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In general I just think PvP, and WoW in general should be more accessible for players. I personally like PvP a lot, but I doesn’t want to spend 4 out of 5 hours finding a party, to get nowhere. Its not an optimal way of finding parties, and locking the 2v2,3v3 and RBGS queues for pre-made only, is also a limit maker.

PvP is not accessible at all for players, and I personally haven’t played PvP for quite some time now, because its a massive time commitment to just find people to play with, and often they can play for a few games and then they have to go.

Locking gamemodes behind pre-made groups is not a good thing. They should make it queue-able for any group size - it makes it much more accessible and will eventually make people more into PvP.

And yes Pre-made groups might have an advantage, but so be it? Non-premades can also play well, if their syngeri is great, and eventually they get to improve, because they actually get to play the game.

The only choice I have basicly is to sit 30+ minutes for a solo shuffle game, and I aint even able to get the gladiator mounts which is the biggest reason I want to play pvp.

Or I can sit in LFG for hours, to be lucky to get into a party, if anyone even want to play with me.

The structure of everything in this game, is really limiting and locked, and that obviously makes certain things feel more dry, or less popular. If they actually made it accessible and rewarding to play, Im sure a lot of people would actually consider playing certain things.

I love RBGS a lot. Its more my cup of tea, and I think there also should be gladiator mounts for those who prefer other modes. In other games, the MMR for certain modes isn’t the same, to achieve the same ranks. It doesn’t have to be 2400 in all the modes - it could be adjusted, to make it fit the right percentage of players.

Some game modes is harder to hit 2400 than others, and if it really matters that it have to be over than 2400 rating, then it could be be adjusted higher for certain modes.

In general there isn’t many rewards from doing PvP. There is elite sets, which also can be kinda challenging to get sometimes for me atleast, and then there is rewards even above that.

But even if you’re capable of achieving all the rewards, then its really not that much you’re getting compared to the time you have spent.

I don’t believe that rewards should be easy to get, but I do believe that it should be more rewarding and accesible to play PvP. And Gladiator mounts really shouldn’t only be a 3v3 thing. I do understand that 3v3 is the e-sport thing for WoW, but in any other game, doesn’t they lock the rewards behind a single mode, who is only queue-able for groups.

I don’t know how to explain everything, but I just don’t understand why people think its such a big deal only to have the reward in 3v3. They should focus on making PvP as accessible and welcoming to play, instead of locking and limiting everything.

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The 3v3 gatekeep is not because of Blizzard, it’s because of spoiled brats who go full ego storm on you. E.g it’s a human problem, not a game problem.

Giving out an example as myself, in season 2 of DF I spent 3-4 hours per day in LFG for 2 months straight. I tried out countless different people. I got countless declines, hateful whispers related to experience. By people who didn’t even try 1 game. By people who thought their max season 2 Shadowlands experience meant anything.

By people who I laugh at being hard stuck 2100 now.

Season 2 of Shadowlands ruined premade 3v3 forever, giving ego to way too many people. If you’re 3000 experience from then, why are you stuck 2100 now? hmm? Maybe because you aren’t as good as you think you are. That’s what I tell those people.

But let’s move on to my point.

For PvP to be accessible on the beginner - middle level, Blizzard needs to integrate the mandatory PvP addons as base UI first. Integrate Omnicd, SArena, Omnibar, etc.

Add options to remove specific nameplates from the zoo specs.

Once you got everybody on equal playing field in terms of UI, gear (this was already done, which was great), then all that remains is learning, practice and gameplay.

This should be step 1 of fixing rated PvP.

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I think everyone would agree that is better for the game if the PvP parts of the game were in a healthy state, being accessible, rewarding and fun.

Currently though, PvP is a small subclass of the playerbase, which I feel is due to two issues:

  1. The bar of entry is high.
  2. The reward for participation is low.

This has always been the case in WoW history, having gotten better with every expansion. There used to not be any PvP gear, so the best raiders had a huge advantage and were rewarded for their PvE progress by being stronger in PvP. Now the bar of entry is much smaller, with a more even playing field - AND EVERYONE PREFERS IT. Some people want even more accessible gear and more even playing field, but the new system is strictly better than the old.

That is an example of blizzard lowering the bar of entry. Fantastic!

Previous replies have added further ideas as to how the bar could be lowered further like:

  • Flexible queueing
  • PvP focused UI settings
  • Shorter queue times (not up to Blizzard, but CAN be STRONGLY affected by my next point)

There are also many suggestions for how to ENCOURAGE people to play PvP (some are mine):

  • More accessible/different mounts
  • Weekly quests with sizeable gold rewards for participating in PvP
  • Cool titles/transmogs/weapon illusions
  • Prestige by acchieving high rating
  • New/updated content?? (Removing Blades Edge is not enough. Solo shuffles is great! Blitz is tbd.)

The truth is that there has never been any kind of in game reward for participating in PvP for 90% of players… sure getting glad is really cool but not everyone can get it, and frankly its still a very small reward compared to the abundance of stuff PvE people get:

  • Best gear in game
  • Best mounts/cosemetics/titles in game
  • Rare resources which can be sold for gold
  • Plenty of new content every couple months

So in conclusion: Compared to PvE, PvP has always had a very high barrier of entry with no real in-game reason to pursue it. The barrier has been lowered over time, by making PvP gear viable in PvP. Also solo shuffle has quickly become the most active part of the PvP scene, just because it is more accessible (no new rewards) … this is great. but it’s only a small step in the right direction.

So if you want more players to enjoy PvP, maybe make it more accessible and rewarding? Please?

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It all depends on the popularity of the mode. If the mode is not popular, then yes, it will not be fun for the people who isn’t pre-made. But if the mode was actually popular to a certain level, then they wouldn’t be matched against pre-mades too often. I really don’t see why it should be an issue. The pre-mades would achieve a higher rank if they win a lot, just like in any other competitive game?

There is a fix for everything, and if premades would be a problem, they could always try to structure the system up with, where the pre-made groups have higher chance to match against eachother or something

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So making a system based on assumptions that it will be such a huge amount of players joining up that you wont face premades as often.
The Pros do not outvalue the Cons on this part since you have no way of knowing if there will be “a huge amount” that will start playing or not when they will more than likely try out, face premade, get stomped, stop playing.

As long as any form of premades can fight against solos its a bad system.
You either have full premades (normal rbgs today which you can still que up for) or you go full solo.

You can never make a good system that solo players will love if its involving premades facing you. It has a higher chance to cause frustrations instead.
Why would I ever put myself in such a position where me and 7-9 more solo ppl will face an entire premade and get obliterated. Then imagine that happening several times.

Ppl are already fed up with syncers in bgs and you want to make it happen even in RBGs.

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there are already premade rbg’s in the game. being able to q blitz as premade makes zero sense whatsoever.

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He wants to remove blitz and make it possible to soloq into normal RBGs, from 1person up to 10. I have no clue how anyone could ever believe that would be a good system.

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I couldn’t agree more! Humans is worser than rats, and I truly have that feeling aswell! I do agree with everything you say.

Addons shouldn’t have become a thing if you ask me, because it ruins so much of the fun from the games, and it makes it such a tryharding min-maxing game, where you can keep track of everything.

Addons could be nice, but it shouldn’t be a required thing. I think making use of those good addons making some of it to the UI as you say, that would make it so much easier, and feel better.

I think some of the decisions from blizzard has been good for PvP. The Solo queue modes is super cool, and there is also some other things. But as said, it is small steps, and its not enough as it is now, and the stuff you’re saying is a top priority, as much as the feedback I gave I feel like.

The whole structure is so limited and locked behind so many things, and its not even rewarding to play really

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Sorry but i don’t quite understand players atm as they demand from the game itself this : ( Sorry but i can’t bothered to be social, i can’t actually play the game because of it ).

And yes here i am defending 3v3 bracket as most of the guys use communication and it’s very highly competitive mode in World of Warcraft. Gladiator is earned and it should be earned. These players use Voice Chat but it doesn’t fit to a player who wants to be outsider and go solo? Give me good reason why you want to play solo.

I have made ton of good friends through WoW and i don’t sorry understand why anyone wants to play MMORPG alone. It’s not the purpose of WoW.

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if u want glad play 3s

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Agreed. Rbg doesn’t need a change with solo/duo blitz, but flex 3s would be great at the removal of shuffle. There are other games that proved this to work as long as the premade size is equal on both teams eg:

  • 2 pre 1 rnd vs 2 pre 1 rnd
  • 3 pre vs 3 pre
  • 3 rnd vs 3 rnd
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I’m not saying it should be like that. There is so many ways of handling a system like that.

A solo player, shouldn’t be parred with a pre-made 9 man group. If you ask me there should be limits for specific amounts of people.

There should be some criteria of the groups of people who can queue together. People who queue 10 people together, should be priorities playing against people with the same pre-made group size, or close to.

People From any group sizes, except maybe a 9-man group and a solo group, should be able to queue.

A 9-man group tbh, shouldn’t be able to queue, but rather make them find an extra player, or make the group smaller, so solo players wouldn’t have issues being alone against people who might be toxic, or something.

I don’t even know if it should be specificly 9-man groups, who can’t queue, but I do know that there is other games who does it kinda like this. I know its possible to build out a system who make it work.

And I want to ask you though - Are you just being negative just to be negative, or are you actually for real?

Try to be more open minded - would you rather want PvP to continue the road it have always been going?

If you ask me, is there a reason for why PvP is so unpopulated as it is, and it is fixable atleast to a certain level, if its structure was built better, and wasn’t splitting people between so many queues, and such.

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I am a person who looks at the opposite side and the negatives on what certain things can impact the game. Usually why theres some ppl who tends to see me as a “troll” simply because I dont agree with them alot of times. If ppl make arguments that holds more positives than negatives then its entirely different.
Theres been several ppl like you who believes they make the “perfect system” but in reality it has massive flaws to it.

I am way more open minded than alot of ppl on this forum. If you fully argue based on whats best for majority of ppl and not what you personally believe to be the best for you then sure.
But when you write in such a way that theres ALOT of flaws involved in it where you are actively asking for solos to feed premades then I have to argue against it.
Now, you can argue “You are just negative and dont want progress” when the reality is, I am always for what would be the best for the game without all the potential massive negatives involved with it.

Theres alot of issues with PvP, but the way you are now describing your way of que. Meaning:

Which dont rly go fully into what you would say is a “great system”.
“Other games has it so it should work” dont fully mean WoW would make it work.

If you are not going to deep dive on what you truly believe and just make simple “ppl should que into 2v2, 3v3 and rbgs” and remove RSS/SRBGs then expect for ppl like me to counter-argue on why your ideas is a bad one.

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I don’t really understand, why you think those things is anything about the issue or not.

I don’t play solo only, I also play with friends, when they play. They just don’t like PvP. And being in a voice chat or not, shouldn’t be a requirement.

I have achieved Very high ranks in other games, and voice chat is a helpful material, not a must have.

People who is in voice chat, doing great comms, will of course have a better chance of winning, but what you don’t understand is, that people without voice, can also play really well, if they just focus on whats going on, and looks what people is doing.

Personally, speaking in voice chat, can drain me a lot of my energy, and playing in a voice chat or not, I will still play as great as I do without voice.

Voice can be benefitial with the right calls, and yes that will help a lot, but going so far, as saying voice chat should be a requirement, is a bit too much.

In higher ranks, I can imagine it being really important to have voice chat, but being in a voice chat, doesn’t show who is good or who is not.

In World of Warcraft, everything is shown, everything is called. Addons shows everything, and I don’t believe thats actually good.

In other games, you learn to have an ongoing timer in your head, to keep track of cooldowns and all that, and that doesn’t mean that its less min-maxing or not, but having everything shown, and having all these huge requirements for everything - of course people doesn’t want to play PvP, because not everyone do want to sit and get their ears blown away, or have to learn a million addons, to min-max every single little thing.

I don’t use addons in other games, and I know tons of stuff, including timers for tons of stuff.

And the reason for im posting this thread, is not relevant if its for solo players or bigger groups. its about making the game more accessible - if you’re solo, 2, 3, 4,5,6 or more players.

There is endless possibilities, and if you think its a good thing to only let pre-mades of 10 people be able to play RBGS, and if you think its only good if you’re in voice, then you should consider putting the standards a little more down.

No other game requires you for that. In high ranks yes of course, but if PvP continues like this, there is only the same min-maxing pvp people, and there will be no one playing PvP except them. At this point they should just remove PvP.

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Big no
Bgs cant be compared with arena at all.

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And how exactly would you want me to do that?

LFG is full of toxic people, who doesn’t even let people in who haven’t already had gladiator. I don’t really understand why you and so many others doesn’t want to open up the game modes for more players?

World of Warcraft, is not as unique as you may think, and other games can make a system who works, so why wouldn’t World of Warcraft be able to make a structured system who makes people actually be able to play PvP? You’re the type of guy, who already have people to play with, and doesn’t have to sit in LFG for hours a day, to maybe get a few games.

Do you even know how hard it is for people to get to even play PvP, if they doesn’t have friends to play with? Probably not, because if you did, you would actually understand, how much of a pain it is, and of course I would love to play 3v3, but I sadly can’t, because people in LFG, is never letting me in, and if they do they’re gone after a few games.

I really don’t understand why you guys doesn’t want 3v3 and RBGS to be queued for smaller group sizes, or duo queue or something. You really think its unfixable to make a structure that works. A lot of people is annoyed about the limited amount of players playing the game modes, but, that makes a lot of sense, because its only limited to the same small community. A lot more people would actually play PvP more, if it was actually more accessible, and you can’t say im wrong, and you can’t say it would be bad for PvP, because why would it be a bad thing to have more people play PvP? If its because you’re talking about pre-mades destroying everthing - They will go up in rank eventually, and there will be more people playing compared to now, and in any other competitive game, can pros queue together, and yes of course they’re winning a lot, but they’re also losing, and they will get higher rank, and get against other pros.

Do you only play WoW? Because if so, I understand why you think it wouldn’t work, because you haven’t seen other systems. World of Warcraft’s system is limiting and outdated, and thats also one of the reasons why there is so little PvP players. If people was actually open-minded of changes, instead of thinking every change is bad, then PvP would also feel better, and I know that. The only people keepsaking a better experience for tons of people, including you, is people like you. There is endless possibilities, and yet you choose to shoot everything down, who could make PvP better.

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And you have not even once explained how the system work fully except “other games has it and makes it work”. You talk about ppl should be open minded but at the same time you dont rly give any kind of information around that exact system. What games are we talking about have the same kind of gameplay as WoW that makes it work? How do the system work which makes it fair for everyone or atleast majority?

RSS and Solo RBGs is allowing solo players to play even when its not a perfect system but its entirely based on solo play (except Srbgs with its healer/dps duo) which, even when its not a perfect system, is way more fair than what you proclaim to be the best based on “other games”.

It feels like you personally believe ppl who have other opinion than yourself is the reason why WoW PvP is bad and if they do not like the changes you desire they are holding PvP back.
But you personally do not care at all about fairness which can be quite easily seen through your texts and how you express yourself.

Is there changes they can do to improve WoW PvP? Ofcourse. I am not devaluing the effort of trying to bring up things that you believe can make the game better.
Do I believe every change ppl keep saying on the forum is for the better of WoW? No. You might only look at the positives but I also look at the negatives which alot of the ppl refuse to do.