She had an entire internal monologue about the punishment of Zul’jin, Kael’thas, and about the fact that she should be sent into the Maw, unlike Kael and Zul’jin.
Which is still one case. Throughout the book her core motivation is “muh family”.
“But is it a good motivation”. Yes, yes it is. Even if you’re atheist from a religious family and don’t care that much personally. But it’s not her only gripe with the afterlife, and not her only motivation.
“Do we hear her opinion?”. Yes, yes we do.
“B-but is it her CORE motivation?”. Listen. She lost family members in a genocide of epic proportions, of course that’s sth very close to her heart. But not the only thing.
Getting tired of you moving the goal posts.
I’m not moving the goal post, she said that it was unfair for people like KT and ZJ to go to a lesser hell than her and got sad because people do not end up with their families in the afterlife in a universe with COUNTLESS AFTERLIVES which she knew existed even prior to SL retcons (emerald dream etc.). The rest of the book is her feeling bad that she won’t end up with her familly, that pretty much screams “core motivation” don’t you think ?
Here we go again
How is it a good motivation when she already knew there were countless afterlives? I mean how is she realizing this just now? Even if KT and ZJ did end up in the maw with her, how does that change the fact that her brother lived a completely different life than her and probably committed less sins. The only reason I brought up I was an atheist was because in christianity it is believed you would be denied heaven if you do not believe in god.
Also I know it is her perspective, but from an objective standpoint analyze Ravendread, souls that could be redeemed go there, both KT and ZJ did all the things they did out of necessity for their people, KT wanted the blood elves to survive and ZJ wanted to restore the empire because his people could not continue to live the way they did, Sylvanas on the other hand did everything she did out of revenge. All 3 committed atrocious acts, only 2 of them had reasons beyond personal gain. Seems like those judgements are completely fair.
Is / Ought fallacy. It’s Blizzard’s fault for not developing High Elven beliefs about the afterlives enough. While reading the novel, i get the impression that she didn’t care for religion that much before her own death. And even then, she never cared about other races afterlives.
Sylvanas did everything she did to end the Lich King, who slaughtered 90% her people and had his army of endless zombies at her doorstep. Kael’thas tried to sell the souls of his people to Warcraft Satan and Zul’jin, frankly, can rot in hell for all eternity for enslaving his own gods. Forest Trolls are a worthless civilisation and have achieved nothing!
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God, am I happy that we’ll never have to talk about Sylvanas’ motivations and her just deserts again, once this poopchute of an addon is over. When she eventually comes back, we’ll just take the nostalgia, but for now… Just oof. Really, as far as I’m concerned I wouldn’t care if she went to the best heaven available, since I just want her gone from here.
Finally a good argument, however its hard to believe that some as old as her never came across the notion of multiple afterlives, especially after dealing with loa empowered trolls.
Because she wanted revenge.
After he tried to save them and got corrupted in the process. Doesn’t excuse him but still better than Sylvanas.
Because again he wanted to save his people. And same as KT does not excuse him, but I can see how the venthyr could see a potential for redemption.
What did Sylvanas do in order to stop the LK, betrayed pretty much everyone she came in contact with (granted the company she kept was not the most decent of folk). Ordered the creation of plague that would exterminate both living and undead, ordered experimentation of living beings.
So I take it you are not board with the Sylvnaduin ship that started going on recently XD.
If it takes both of them out of our hair? Yes, certainly, they can live happily ever after in the Maw-turned-paradise in a threeway relationship with Nathanos, sure, just keep them there, would ya? I’d be hard pressed to say if Sylvanas or Anduin are more annoying to me as an Alliance player…
Oh sweetie, you know that is just wishful thinking and setting yourself for disappointment. But on a more serious side I say send all the “main” characters there.
To be fair, much of the problems come from them not just being characters, but leaders. Really, I could sit there and point and laugh at Anduin and Sylvanas, if they weren’t supposed to lead nations that I actually do care about. If this was a small party of adventurers my character was actually a part of, and something like this on a little more reasonable scale was Sylvanas’ personal arc… sure, why not, a bit out there, but can be entertaining enough, though dragging it out over 4 years would still suck. Even the ending-of-the-world-universe-stakes are perfectly fine for me, if they essentially have no impact on the rest of the world, because we obviously avert it. But since they are the representatives of nations and supranations? Well, that about muddles up everything. Suddenly everyone and their grandmother have to go to the Shadowlands and learn what is going on and make politics based on that crap… Hug me, that’s just stupid.
But yeah, there is no one of the main cast I would miss. The less I know about a WoW character the better the chance I might like them.
This is pretty much my problem with the current story. Yes I agree the characters are morons and it’s laughable that they are also leaders, but I could have powered trough even the 4 maybe 6 year Sylvanas “story arc” if in the end it was self contained. I mean BfA and WoD were pretty terrible aswell but could easily ignore them after they are over. Retconning the pre-established story pretty much destroyed the franchise for me.
lmao
The undead. The novel specifies she didn’t order the extermination of the living at the Wrathgate.
Yes. But that’s a worse kind of well intentioned extremism than an old racist troll who kills women and children because they’re elves, and a mad prince who mana bombed a city, enslaved a Warcraft angel and tried to summon Warcraft Satans little helper?
She did not order it at the Wrathgate. In the RotLK novel, written by Golden, she aproves of the plague being able to kill both undead and living. The Sylvanas book only excuses her of wanting to use it at one specific moment.
Lets agree to disagree, I don’t want to go into an argument which form of genocide is more atrocious.
You see it as good motivation and I don’t. Debate over and cheers for entertaining the idea.
Lol, given how much he is established to remind her of her brother? That’s a very icky possibility.
The book pretty much spells out that THE big hangup for her was the eternal torture bit, where even Anduin says given the same cards he’d also go down the same path, with the line between Revendreth, Maldraxus and the Maw being blurry at best, from the standpoint which determines where they should go. (Altho it is suggested between the lines that her case bypassed the Arbiter entirely, because of the Val’kyr taking her straight to the Maw) Separating families and so forth only compounds and reinforces the idea that from this perspective the system of the shadowlands is screwed up and needs to be fixed.
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