Greater Pyro and Rain from Above in the next patch + more

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Health pools are massively ramping up in the next patch which is going to make Greater Pyro and Rain from Above disgustingly overpowered. Now the latest patch has dropped the % of Necro from 5% to 4% to “offset” the health pool increases how these two stupid abilities haven’t.

A DH can hit for 7% max health each Fel Lance, while a Mage can hit for 35% of somebody health with a single Greater,

Before anybody starts crying about how these abilities are counterable, something being counterable doesn’t excuse it from being overtuned.

Yes you can “kite” Fel Lance, however this is a double edge sword in favor of the DH. as it often takes all the users mobility to escape Fel Lance, meaning the DH can further escape or apply intense pressure. If the user doesn’t kite, Fel Lance can take over 50% of the targets health.

Yes you can Interrupt Greater Pyro but at the cost that somebody is being polymorphed. There is also the problem that eventually they will get it off since they can shimmer with this spell. Now you could argue this is a shimmer problem but i still hugely disagree with 35% of the health being taken. So again. you interrupt Poly, you get 35% of your health beat out of you. You interrupt Greater, your healer gets polmorphed and they still explode you.

Now these are not the only abilities which are causing this issue as % based damage spells are one of the top 5 things which has RUINED pvp in my opinion.

But in order to keep the game moving happily into the next patch please follow

Fel Lance now deals 3.5% max health down from 7%.
Greater Pyro now deals 17.5% max health down from 35%.

Some other mentions would be
Mana Rift reduced to 4% down from 8%
Snipershot reduced to 10% down from 20%.
Lawbringer reduced to 2.5% down from 5%
Any other % based damage spells reduced by 50%.

That being said, Demon Hunter leach and Death Knight Death Strike is also a growing problem…

Now i have not mention Destruction Warlocks as i’m hoping that damage scaling will be far less than Health scaling. However if that is not the case, then Focus Chaos should be reduced to 30% from 60% to bring Chaos Bolt to a normal level.

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Imo gpie should be flat deleted with a new talent to give scorch a slow

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That would just be putting too much into Scorch when it’s usable while moving. I’d rather they actually do some re-prioritising of fire’s damage so Fireball does significantly more, Pyroblast a slight bit more and Fire Blast getting a hefty reduction in damage done in PvP combat.

Greater Pyro being a thing is the sad byproduct of how tanky things are in general and the other sustain spells just not doing anything threatening for the gcd’s spent on them. The spec works too much around Combustion in PvE currently and that translates in a negative way to PvP.

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Wouldn’t Combustion be too strong then?! Personally I think the burst is already way overtuned - I have no idea what buttons you press during Combustion, so maybe I wrong, but I don’t think you need more burst… Gpie is just a joke and should be removed completely without compensation - or they redesign it: shorter casttime and a lot less dmg (based on gear, not opponent’s hp).

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They didn’t do that because of the health pool increase

They just rolled a dice and called it

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Not if you tune the numbers of Fire Blast and Pyroblast right. Fire Blast does too much damage for an off-gcd spell and enabler for Pyroblast. You rarely get more use out of combust than the first 3 Pyroblasts, which all require a Fire Blast to be triggered.

I’d rather play with Firestarter anyhow and as fire RMP i often find myself using it against DH/Melee/Rdruid and the likes anyways due to the amount of stops they have. Maybe it would be different with Nex playing Sub but Cróws just doesn’t have the PvE gear to make that work.

What i would like to see Greater Pyroblast replaced with is an old fire passive that applied a buff by you hitting 33% or less HP, which let your next Pyroblast be cast 50% quicker. Had a long’ish internal CD as well so it wouldn’t proc over and over again.

There are more things that could be done to make the spec feel more fun but this isn’t the thread for it.

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The changes suggested here would give firemages extra sustain, rather than burst. Fireball is not something we ever use during combustion, and fireblasts are spammed quite often so the dmg nerf on them is something we would definitely feel unless the buff to normal pyroblast is far too massive.

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G-pie just needs to go, its unhealthy for the % of damage it does.Or atleast tune it down in terms of damage with the cast time Slightly and see how it goes from there and then maybe remove it.

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The proper fix to fire mage is to bring back the MoP iteration. When you had to earn your pyroblasts with Shatter and when they did more damage because of it.
Spamming guaranteed-crit instants is boring.

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Gpy either needs to be on like a 30-45 sec cd and damage remain unchanged or needs to be taken down to like 20% health

fel lance garbage needs to literally be nerfed to to like 3% hp, that thing is DUMB

blur CD needs to be at least 1.5 min

blazing barrier needs to have it’s absorb reduced by like 30%+

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I’d play fire mage again in a heartbeat if they brought back shatter

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If they brought back Shatter, Blazing speed, Deep freeze, MoP combustion and Alter Time!

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problem with thats is then fire hits like a wet noodle outside of cds without gpie, also lets prey they nerf assa to the ground it’s been broken nearly all of bfa without being touched funny how rogues never comment on that.

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% based damage abilities are bad for the game. They are an easy & lazy addition to the health pool inflation Blizzard hasn’t decided to fix.

I sincerely hope they are all removed come Shadowlands

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