[H-RP] Kosh'harg Festival, Fall 2019

Brawls, races and feasting all seem to fit very well as part of orcish celebrations. Date auctions, magic wand tournaments and ladies’ fashion contests (depending on how it’s conducted) however don’t feel something we would’ve probably seen back then, and what some orcs probably wouldn’t still expect to see as something incorporated into their age old festivities. This is where the issue would be for some characters: they’d travel all the way to their old world that’s still falling apart, to meet up with kindred spirits, and see activities held they might disagree with being adopted into their culture.

As for Oshu’gun, I wonder what do the shaman today reasonably know of its current state and what happened there in TBC (the naaru and the ancestor spirits it devoured)?

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Those three sound entirely within the domain of the canon celebration! “Anything” being added is where we disagree though. It isn’t so much a strict canon lore issue. Not to me at least. It is thematic.

Running the risk of hyperbole here: You could in theory install a ferris wheel in the middle of Nagrand for the duration and chalk up to goblins wanting to turn a quick buck and it would be entirely within the realms of possibility; but you dilute the heritage of the kosh’harg in doing so. Some characters will avoid it, others would probably make it a point to loudly decry the percieved disrespect. Disruptive to say the least.

On a purely OOC note, I could understand the changes if previous such events had been all but empty, but that has yet to be an issue to my knowledge. So I do not quite understand where this fear of a stale concept is coming from. :thinking:

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So far it looks like everyone agreed they are fine IC, since we have a LOT of new allies in Horde it can be a choice to accomodate outsiders not used to orcish customs, the style itself is something after all these years orcs could have picked up from their elvish allies if we nitpick for a reason. I do not think we need to swarm the thread to argue whats right and what’s not and just deal with whatever comes up to our IC view as it comes.

Didn’t come across that way from my reading of it, more just including some different things. IIRC the date auction thing had been done a few times before. From an IC stand point my character isnt exactly a fan of such things, however the proceeds have always been given to the village to help feed and take care of the orphans, so it’s for a worthy cause at least.

Kosh’harg is one of my favourite times in the rp calendar so seeing the hosts try something new can always be a nice addition. Feed back is key, ic and oocly for this sort of thing and so far the ooc feeeback has been very useful ^^

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I no longer have the time to really have a hand in the organization of this edition of Kosh’harg. But considering the Kosh’harg events are a joint effort from any volunteers we can get in the guild, I will say that I fully stand behind what’s being hosted by those who do decide to stick their necks out. I do understand that there can be some concern about the presentation of the Kosh’harg, but I do think it is worth pointing out a few things here.

I believe it is safe to say that the organizers fully realize the meaning of the Kosh’harg Festival, as there are more than enough religious, traditional and “typical orcish” events on offer. When you decide to host a festival for a full week, however, you are bound to fill up a few time slots with some events that may feel slightly less “authentic” than those typical, bi-annually occurring events. You can call them window-dressing if you like, an IC attempt to appeal to a larger audience in order to make the Kosh’harg more accessible for the modern Horde as a whole or simply a means to provide a little something for everyone who wants to have a chance to do some typical festival-like things on the Horde side. One way or another though, each of these events are optional. Anyone who attended a Kosh’harg in the past knows that the festivities will simply continue to go on elsewhere when these events are ongoing. So it is not like anyone will be forced to set aside their festivities to partake in any kind of activity that they would consider heresy. Nor does it have to mean that you will be unable to attend a festival because there will be one or two events that your character does not like. Then again, that is something for you and your character to decide.

Having said that though, I will point to a snippet from the Spring edition of this year’s Kosh’harg:

Costume Contest
The Kosh’harg Festival is the epitome of a traditional orcish festival. Though nowadays accessible to all allies of the orcish race, some may still have a bit of trouble blending in. The Costume Contest is an excellent way to find inspiration for your very own traditional orcish garb! Or perhaps you wish to show off what you have come up with yourself? Three judges will rate the finest costumes to set foot in Garadar and will hand out prizes to the victors!

Looks familiar? That is because it is pretty much the exact same premise as this year’s “Miss Kosh’harg”. I’d say the only difference lies in the presentation, which is where I would actually agree that one could make the event seem a little less “'Murican”-sounding. Give it an orcish name, slap an orcish theme on it and no one will be none the wiser. Or so I would think, because none of the above was ever an issue during previous iterations of the Kosh’harg, despite it most certainly being there as well. I would think that people would have discussed such an activity previously as well, if it was truly such a problematic element to the Kosh’harg. So in this case, I think that a lot can be made more acceptable simply by keeping presentation in mind.
Even so, all we have to go by so far is the name of the activity, but that does not tell us anything about the event itself. So with that in mind, I would advise people to just give it a chance if they are so inclined. Perhaps things will not be so sacrilegious IC after all. Or, if they are, they can kick up a fuss or grumble and ramble to their heart’s content. I am sure it can be something that can be kept in mind for the next time then, in that case.

Some people like their festivals the same every single year, others do like to switch it up a little. The same ritualistic events do not seem to be going anywhere, so those who do want things to stay the same will always have those to attend. Those who want a little variety to their bi-annual festivals get to try out a few new things now and then to switch things up. Either way, I am sure any events (or other elements of the festival for that matter, like how peace keepers have been a constant point of contention in the past) that happen to not work out all too well will be kept into account for the next time in order to improve the overall experience. For now though, there’s no telling what the actual event will look like without having actually seen it, so I am compelled to ask people not to judge too quickly, as I myself do not recall any complaints from this Spring’s costume contest and people seemed to enjoy that one just fine. :slightly_smiling_face:

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If Miss Kosharg had indeed initially been presented that way, I don’t think it would’ve raised any eyebrows, really. As you say, the difference lies in the presentation and the presentation gives an impression of what the activity would be like. The original description, along with the name of the activity, made me for one think of something more akin to modern beauty pageants targeted towards women. Miss [pageant] has a strong connotation to something from the real world.

Miss Kosh’harg

Ladies, now is the time to don your fine jewelry and most extraordinary attire! Impress the judges with your head to toe creation, and you just might be dubbed Miss Kosh’harg.

That said, the intent to discuss the activities hasn’t been to argue what’s right or wrong or plausible, but to bring up how the Horde’s Kosh’harg seemed to be moving further away its orcish roots, and how/why this might affect the involvement of some (especially orc) characters, and if the organisers had given this thought when they decided to include them. I’m sure there’ll be plenty of people and characters alike who have great fun with these newer activities, and maybe indeed they won’t be that alienating to some depending on IC presentation. And even if they were something my own character wouldn’t approve of, I wish to stress that OOC I have no feelings of resentment about it at all. I know there’s a bunch of lovely people working on this.

I appreciate the responses on the matter, cheers. :slight_smile:

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In other more specifically event related news, I’ve got the following festival events planned:

The great Outland wolf race: A team race around a set course, all on wolf back! three man teams will race across the worlds remnant, through specified check-points all the way to the finish line in the hopes of claiming the title of “champion wolf rider”.

Brawl’gar: Participants duke it out in a friendly wrestling tournament, a best of three roll style, aiming to become crowned Brawl’gar champion.

Iron fortitude: A series of events where contestants endure physical hardship and exert acts of great strength in order to prove their physical prowess. the champion and winner being named “iron champion”.

Drunken Backwards Race: A game of hilarity and chaos where participants test their stomach and mettle against both themselves and their insides trying to be the first to cross the line, and keep their insides, inside.

Sing for your Ancestors: an opportunity for all attending to sing the Lok’vadnods and songs of their honored kin and ancestors.

Last drinker standing: The drinking game to end all drinking games. Who will be the last standing? who will be the last talking in a sensible fashion? A game to reveal all. enter at your own discretion and peril.

Duelist tournament: With the festival nearly over, a time for all combatants and warriors to test their skills against each other. When the sun finally rises the truce of the festival ends, but before that a chance to get all your angst resolved here, so let axes meet axes and spell meet spell. A PvP tournament for the ages!

Hope to see you all attend!

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So many events, so little time. One does wonder how a clueless hunter will entertain the guests in between.

Totally not foreshadowing. Don’t look at me like that!

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It’s planning time :eyes:

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A quick bit of information for those planning to take part in the great outland wolf race on tuesday the 17th:

  • The race requires you to be in a team of three persons, all on wolves. (spare wolves and the opportunity to find team mates will be available)
  • Abuse of speed enhancing tools will not be allowed.
  • Running across lakes or deep bodies of water using toys or buffs isn’t allowed.
  • The ‘track’ has only a partially set route, you only have to reach particular check-points in a set order, so it’s quite easy to take small detours or side roads (just avoid riding through Gronn dens). A map with the route will be provided 10 minutes prior to the race for teams to study.
  • You must stay together at all times, wild deviations or splitting up, or becoming separated will result in a disqualification.
  • using /follow is not allowed.
  • Only one Paladin or Mag’har per team.
  • The winning team is the first team to have all three members of that team across the finish line.
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I love racing events, the only problem is with maghar/paladins having a natural speed boost.

Over a long racing distance, tested over the entirety of durotar and azshara with obstacles etc, there’s atill simply no way to over come the advantage they recieve.

Do you have any plans in place to combat this or will it be an unfortunate case of there’s nothing that can be done. (Slight chance I’m taking this to heart a little too much)

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What’s the speed increase mag’har and paladins get? If it is the same as the mounted up (the perk that comes from being in a guild) increase, you could just have all the orcs and paladins leave their guilds for the duration of the race whereas all the others are invited to one.

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oh, did I forget that part?

One paladin/Mag’har per team, max. And as it’s a three man team that can’t split up, and depends on the last person in the trio crossing the line, it eradicates any benefit those two may have. Hope that answers your questions!

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Glorious \o/

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The Mok’Nelghor are now en route IC!

Will most likely be kicking about Sunday if folk are around to rp :smiley:

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Hello!
Just a small announcement!
Due to some real life stuff, I’ve decided to cancel the Auction.

Kagryn! We orcs will be there on Sunday, so see you then!

I hope to see you all at Kosh’harg, and I really hope you all have fun there!

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The Raiders™️ will be there.

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Time to drag the Honorbound over to celebrate not dying in the desert

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That’s not fully confirmed yet! You could instantly die at the end of tonight’s event!

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You’ve jinxed it now :sob:

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