No, I don’t keep track of how often I leave against sync premades.
Why would I?
I encounter them in around 10-20 % of my rounds and I leave.
I don’t get angry, i don’t moan and complain.
I just dodge them and get into a good round 3 minutes later.
Let the syncers ruin someone else’s day, they are not my problem.
I don’t see why i should bother against players who don’t play fair.
Nah, im only saying everything you talk about, is purely your own experience and has nothing to do with what other people are experiencing. Thats it.
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Quite a lot of players see it the way I do.
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Also I am doing certain things differently, as I said.
I play in small groups and not always alone.
I make strategy calls.
I leave premade matches and log another character.
You have this experience, I simply explain that mine is different, mine is better and these are the reason why I think that is.
Maybe if the people who are having a bad experience as of now would do more of what I do, their experience would improve?
Valdrakon probably has a very similar experience to mine because he similarly plays epic bgs.
Trust me, I’ve played enough epic bgs lately to know which players are strong and dangerous.
Yes, I’ve done it deliberately in the past. I was playing for the horde. Emegencerees group got sorted into my team and we won very easily. I thought it was too easy so I helped the alliance out and tried to snipe him. It worked. I beat him too with an alliance team. Next round he beat me, but that was more interesting to play than a free win.
The round that we lost to him too.
I wanted a challenge and I got it.
I enjoy the matches against other strategy callers the most because it feels like an equal match. Just finished a round on Ashran against Drex an hour ago. It was very close, we won with 11 lives left. The matches with Zado lately were nice too.
When you queue for a BG as a group in a community with hundreds of people, these people queue with you. Game functions allow you to track this. Theoretically, you do not synchronize the queue, but in fact you do. You can prove that you do not synchronize and you are not responsible for other players, but the result is the same - you enter the BG with 15+ players from one community, which is essentially synchronization.
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So you do understand people have different experiences?
When I read what you write and how you argue, it kept feeling like you always point your own experience as the facto truth and everything else is a complete lie.
I even pointed that out before, which you claimed I were lying because thats not how you experienced it.
We both have different experiences, which I hope majority agrees on.
If you want to give examples on how to improve peoples gameplay or try it, thats perfectly fine. But thats the only thing you can do.
Just dont expect everyone to follow what you say because you do it. Not everyone wants to relog to the other faction because the syncers are currently spamming there etc.
I just do the normal thing alot of ppl do. Just stop playing currently and try at a different time. Which I wrote before didnt work with 23Alliance vs 40 Horde and the gap never filled up for 5min so ppl started just leaving.
We all have somewhat different experiences and we all know people will announce the negative part mostly and not the positives.
Ngl, this comment felt rly weird to read. No idea what you wanted to prove with it.
That people can have the same experience as you? Can have the same feeling as you?
…
I thought thats obvious that some ppl will have the same or close to same experience as you while others might not?
Its not just one way or the other.
My queues are 5 mins atm and I have 4 max geared pvp toons. This is my BG experience:
- Join and see if opponents have Cyrillic letters before start.
- If I cba or am tired, leave and re-queue on the next toon.
- If I’m happy to try, enter the BG. If it’s an obvious immediate mismatch, leave and re-queue on next toon.
Examples of immediate mismatches:
- Arathi Basin we go 3-4 bases down in 3 minutes
- The Orb BG - they get 3 or more orbs and take mid straight away
- We lose all initial battles (e.g. for nodes, LM, whatever)
- I am engaged and bursted down in a coordinated way in 3 seconds
In my experience in scenarios like the above if I stay its 15-20 minutes of misery and graveyard camping.
I play WoW for fun. No apologies,if it’s not a fair fight it’s not fun.
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I wanted to fill the community fast so I just recruited anyone who felt like joining from epic bgs. Anyone who is interested in war games and PvP events. The majority of the community consists of 0-1.5 xp average Joe casuals.
It is also a mixed faction community since I need both factions for open world stuff.
On an average round, I would have my group with me, with maybe 2 community members who are average, one community member joined randomly into my team but not as part of my group and 2 community members get in on the other side because they queued at the same time for the other faction.
Is this in any way comparable to a sync premade? A sync premade that stacks 15 strong players that pump so much dps / hps that they win every fight with ease?
No. It is a ridiculous comparison.
The player quality I have in my teams is completely average, while a sync premade has so much player quality that they are impossible to beat, with better coordination too.
I do not win more since I have the community compared to when I only invited 1-2 friends from my FL and hit queue. I win exactly the same amount. 75-80% of rounds and slightly less on the alliance, because the horde often has strong players in groups that are tougher to beat.
Not only is it not true that community members outside my group track me and try to get into the same team (I would have way more of them in my team every round), but even if they did, our team would have no advantage, because most of these players are average and can’t carry a round.
In short:
My community: 3 average Joes one team, 2 in the other
Sync premade: Massive concentration of player quality in one team (15 strong players, possibly on voice) none in the other team.
Is this the same thing? It is not the same thing.
You do exactly the same? Read your posts and ask yourself how they come across to someone who shares my experiences. There is room for more views than “everything is terrible”
Many players share my experience.
There is simply no need to stop playing a game mode you like because of syncers when there is a better solution.
I argue based on other people having other experiences. I can talk about my own, but I wont deny other people having their own at the same time.
Same way I am not denying your experience either.
You argued based on others being a complete lie based on your own experience.
No way. What a surprise that people can share similar experiences. Its almost like people can share the same experience as the people who face syncing way more than you apparently do.
Someone has to be the cannon fodder the syncers gets qued into right?
It depends on my mood. If I knew epic bgs or even normal bgs had more balance around avoiding syncing or heavily premade groups that dont intentionally end up together, but do while the other side do not have that. 
If both sides were more equal overall I would enjoy it alot more. But the more annoying things that keeps happening, the more it pushes me away from spam queing.
I used to be in a guild that did RBGs like 2-3times per week, not a great guild but it was fun.
It started with me saying that the statement above is not accurate according to my experience.
I could accuse you that you guys “deny” my experience the same way you accuse me of the same thing, when in reality there are simply two opposing viewpoints.
Well why does it have to be you then, aren’t you too smart for that? Don’t you value your time enough? You can get more value out of ebgs by doing what I do and simply dodging syncers and only playing rounds without them.
I dont consider myself smart. But I also dont want to have to change to a horde character since I am usually only playing certain characters. All of them on Silvermoon which are Alliance x)
If I personally played both horde and alliance all the time then I would most likely have done like you do and just change faction if I face one. Since its usually more on one side than the other currently active.
I am however currently only solo since I dont rly have friends who PvP. So I tend to join do epic bgs when I have the interest, which usually die the instant I see syncers again.
Otherwise I just do m+ mostly. Since it tends to feel like it kinda values my time more.
(Also because I do have friends who play PvE…)
Its been more the way you have been forwarding it. Its not just this post where you have been doing it. Even had to make sure you really believed I were lying about my experiences which you apparently did in the end.
We are not denying your experience and how you handle it.
You denied our experience because it did not line with your own experience.
Why I even said we all have different experiences. One can be extremely lucky and the other can be extremely unlucky. One can be actively doing things to avoid while the other side is not.
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I am not accusing anyone of lying or trying to gaslight anyone and I never did. I simply presented an alternative view. If you make statements like “epic bgs are unplayable because premades are everywhere.” , these claims can be challenged.
When Yashiro makes claims about me that are not accurate, I simply correct him and explain how it actually is.
This has little to do with luck and a lot to do with the different ways in which we play epic bgs. Luck is not required.
So, on my post where I wrote:
"So you are calling out my 5/5 sync premade bs? xd
Do you play Alliance alot these days?
It feels alot like you look down on other peoples experience like its a lie."
You only quoted the “Alliance alot these days?” and answered:
“Yes. More than enough rounds a day for the alliance to conclude that the alliance is seeing ghosts, that is, premades where there is at most a 5-group or a strategy caller in the horde team.”
Which, atleast to my eyes, is denying what happend to me.
It could very well be that you ONLY answered the quote only. But that quote were inbetween 2 lines that were questioning what you truly believed. That answer felt like you did target all of it. Which is directly telling me I am lying.
(I am not trying to gaslight you or saying you are trying to gaslight me.)
It were the part where both me and Jay were arguing with you about. That everyone has different experiences but you were very hard on your experience overrules others.
Thats how it looked like to me.
I mean… Premades are everywhere. Syncing is not.
If you have 4-5 premades in one side (not intentional) and you barely have any on your own it can quite fast turn into unplayable. Its the same thing in normal BGs to some extent.
I mean, part of it is luck.
Lets say theres a syncing going and ppl leave. You get the que pop and go in and get into that BG.
Is that unlucky or could you have prevented it? x)
The thing is, I kinda feel like alot thats being said is just being misunderstood by the other party. Can very well be that I misunderstood your intent aswell.
What claim that you do not see the multiple 5man Groups in your group or when you play vs them as ally? Theres nothing to be corrected i know i am right and you will just say ya its not, its random. I didn’t accuse you of syncing i just said well with how often it happens you might as well do it and challenge the big boys not the kiddies.
People can have a different opinion its not like we need to discuss with each other for the next 20 years about it,i played some with you i did see your teammates and opponents it doesn’t represent my regular daylie q. Believe it or not.
I also have no doubts that your queue differs from mine i made the observation that the chronic underperformance stacking is often from german and french servers and it is not carryable by me alone or some additional decent soloplayers,you might have a chance with your buddys i dont. I can only tell you your 70% winrate isnt what i have since quite some weeks or months. And it can change, sure it will.
Gonna end this here wish you a good queue 
If you want an answer to that, then no.
I don’t deny what has happened to you.
I simply can’t respond to every line in a conversation because then all of my posts would become even more bloated, so I just tackle the aspects that i find most important.
To the “Do you play alliance a lot?” question I responded yes, and I said they are seeing ghosts because in that week, a lot of alliance players pissed their pants at the sight of strong players in the horde team like Emer or Laota.
I have talked to both of them and also played with both of them. Laota is just a strong healer who almost never says anything and concentrates on healing and Emer is a strong boomie who also makes strategy calls. Both of them like to play in small groups and don’t do syncing.
Yet some alliance players somehow think that the game is lost when they enter the battlefield on the opposing side and some mistake them for sync premades.
I disagree, you can still do a lot to compensate for your team’s weakness with strategy calls.
It’s unlucky, but then I immediately leave and don’t let it ruin my day.
If you see syncers, just nope outta there and save your nerves.
I see them and I play against them to the best of my ability and I win the majority of my matches for the alliance. Sometimes against these groups as well. I hardly leave against them. I only leave to syncers and often also when I’m with syncers.
Yes, this means I beat exactly these groups often when I play for the alliance.
My high win rate is less the result of the people that I take with me into the round (because most of them are average and don’t provide an advantage in player quality over any other random player) and more a result of the strategy calls I make, because strategy calls allow your team to act smarter and mobilize a critical mass of players to take an important objective that can win the round.
If I made an experiment and stopped asking for the raid leader and writing things in chat like I usually do and just focused on playing bgs, I doubt I could manage to get a win rate higher than 60%, even though I would have more time to focus on healing. My team would be more disorganized and make avoidable tactical mistakes that cost us the game. They would fight at places that have no strategic relevance and lose sight of the objectives that matter.
Just a simple retreat order when you lose the momentum in Ashran can turn the tide back in your favor and save a lot of lives for your team which can win you the game.
Never underestimate the impact of strategy calls by a leader. They are very powerful.
Likewise.
These 2 types of synchronization differ only in that one (prepared 15 people) easily wins the second (yours)
There is also something that unites them. They win random players 100%. For them, there is no difference between them.
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Which is why I kinda said it can be misunderstood if you only took that part since it looks like you answered all of it. But I understand what you mean with it getting too bloated if you have to answer everything.
Difference is prob that I just get annoyed and just stop playing it and do something else instead. Its kinda a way for me to get less frustrated. I also wish epic bgs stopped lagging for me so much in the fights.
Thats the healthy choice right there,enjoy a different aspect of the game. The tilt anger frustration just adds up day by day. A few pity wins won’t make up for the huge amount of lost games or deserters and the headache. Have a look here and there if the queue tides change to your favor if not just enjoy delves or m+ or whatever.
Regarding the lags in case its fps wise: disable vertical sync, renderscaling 100%, shadow and liquidy details to low, magic density to only important.
And since its a cpu heavy game maybe disable background tasks/apps you don’t need for windows.
My tonights games are 2 started premaded both wintergrasp with larkus and synked premades pure as day. Que was popping to quick so waited, ended normal Ashran 6 v 1 heal to horde quick loss. Forth was a Drex premade with emergencee etal, game is unplayable on ally some nights and getting worse. Even if not synced I suspect communities queing 5 man premades at the same time.
Maybe a 5man Premade can make a difference to a bg but certainly not against stacked premades.
They are likely not premades. Russian players are only grouped with Russian players (exception is epic BGs), so you naturally only see either full Russian group or full English group.
They play better than European players, so they easily farm average European players, but that doesn’t happen always.
That’s rough.
That one was probably the most winnable of them.
Against synced premades you are always screwed no matter what.
Against everyone else you have a fighting chance, even alone.
Idk, I won 12 rounds in a row for the alliance until I lost a round or encountered syncers yesterday. You can come with me anytime and see for yourself.