Hey guys got so hard to decide which spec to focus on, i like them both but which actually performs best in m+ and raids?
Played both abit and i keep hearing mixed thoughts, certienly hope i can get som help here though, thanks!
I personally get much more joy out of playing demo. So I’d say demo, purely based on fun factor. Destro rotation is simple and dull
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I think demo has been nerfed and It will be harder to play…destro is a beast as always…at ST is great cuz of HUGE chaos bolt damage and crits thats why destro is great for raids also for m+ …yea and AOE isnt that bad ![:slight_smile:](https://d1bg94bbsh66ji.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/slight_smile.png?v=6" ":slight_smile:")
…I say go destro
For mythic + play Demonology and you’ll never look back, it’s kinda difficult at first but once you get the hang of it you’ll be destroying the metters.
On the other hand destruction is meh at best, since you can’t make any profit of havoc agains’t most bosses. Also your damage is tied to a 3 minute cd so you’ll do well the fist pack on the dungeon and then you’ll be doing baby damage until your infernal is available again.
On it’s current state I wouldn’t play Destruction outside of raids and pvp.
If you’re serious about raiding and can get proper traits Destruction is by far the better raid spec simply because Havoc can be used for free single target or multi target DPS in nearly every fight.
On multi-target fights you cleave with Chaos Bolt and on single target fights like Mekkatorque you cleave with shard generators for more single target Chaos Bolts (and some padding).
Demonology simply doesn’t have the option to do any of this for most fights.
That said, Demonology is better for M+ because, well, it’s Demonology. Stack up some imps and go to town on those mob packs, especially during reaping where you can prepare for it by building up a bunch of imps, shards and instant Demonbolts.
Destruction can still function in M+, but it’s not all that good outside of Infernal, especially due to a bunch of dungeons requiring a lot of movement, which Demo can handle far better than Destruction.
If you want to min-max better start farming that gold cause reforging ain’t cheap.
This is so wrong… Destros pure single target is okish its not great, afflictions is stronger. Destros strength comes from the ability to cleave two priority targets. With the right azerite traits (3 flashpoint and 3 rolling havoc for example) destro dominates on fights where u have multiple add spawns/ high rate of targets that remain above 80% hp, like conclave, champions (depending on kill time), blockade, jana. swaping out the 3 flashpoints, and running 3 rolling havocs with 3 crashing chaos for example, adds jadfire masters to that list. So destro is king on 4 or 5 fights out of 9, with affliction being good on the other four.
And whoever said destro is strong on mekka, this is so wrong. you cant cleave onto the bots with havoc, because unlike agony from affliction, havocing the bots triggers their dmg reflekt so you are taking a huge amount of extra dmg if you cleave and like i previously said afflictions single target is a lot stronger than destros.
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Demo all the way gameplay wise. I just can’t stand destruction in it’s current form, it’s an abomination of what it used to be (wotlk/mop).
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I knew some dogsh*ts would say anything against me like Outkast or Zultuk . I was trying to say it in short version of what Wutever said but only about destro. Strange that Im quite often first dps in raids and dungs (same ilvl as others) but nevermind. Oh and I’ll give you an advice Do Not Play Affliction. None does.Cuz aff is weak both in pvp/pve. Demo is fun spec yea but it will be harder to play but still fun spec and destro is beast and I can say since the TBC.Now its all about azerite traits and how you play.
No Im not taking it in any way just I knew someone serious like you and that one would answer and it is wrong in your point of view but Im writing only how I play/how i see it. Dogsh*ts isnt inmature thats just a vulgarism and it says Im vulgar person…yea I know.
Then learn English please . And dont call me a kid if you dont know me thanks
And whoever said destro is strong on mekka, this is so wrong. you cant cleave onto the bots with havoc, because unlike agony from affliction, havocing the bots triggers their dmg reflekt so you are taking a huge amount of extra dmg if you cleave and like i previously said afflictions single target is a lot stronger than destros.
There is no damage reflect before mythic. Somebody asking questions on the class forums is probably not going to see mythic Mekka any time soon if at all, so this is still valid advice on how to abuse Havoc resource generation / Flashpoint.
Oh thanks for pointing that out, didnt know 
havent been to heroic Mekka since the first time we downed him, kinda just assumed the spell reflect was there on all dificulties just different amounts, my bad.
Affliction is still quite strong on single target pve fights, epecially if you have a higher health target that needs to be burst, like Bowansamni on Kind Rastakahn.
The thing with affliction is that their dps is very reliant on their darkglare window (3-2.5 min cd, with certain azerite traits) and does get very mindnummingly boring to play. Aligning your cd´s with bl windows and knowing if you will get another darkglare/DS:M combo off, or wether to use them individually from each other in later stages of the fight requires some learning and fight knowledge.
Due to Wutever pointing out that on lfr/normal/heroic you can actually hit the bots with havoc windows destro can be played on them as well, especially if u have several flashpoint/rolling havoc traits. Destro is in my opinion actually pretty fun, seeing those large 150k chaos bolt hits is pretty nice.
Demo post nerf issent really a raid spec anymore, due to the “turret” nature of the spec requiring you to basically not move at all or preplan movement with alignment of demonic core procs. However in “easier” content where abilities are less punishing and the timers arent as tight if you have fun play demo. Just because its not viable in mythic raiding doesnt mean you shouldnt play it in lower difficulties.
Honestly play what you have fun with.
What do you mean by this? as far as i know you still need a second target to havoc, or am i getting something wrong?
He probably means that even if there are no priority adds you can use Havoc to generate more resources and get extra stats from Rolling Havoc azerite trait, but you need an extra target obviously.
A good example would be the ticks on the second boss from Underrot, or the adds from Champion of the Light in BoD raid.
I think destro is strong when he has consistant access to havoc targets, so champs, jadfire, “oppulance”, conclave, stormwall and jana. Gronk, king rastakahn, (mythic) mekka dont have a high enough uptime of adds, and therefore on these fights affliction pulls ahead, in my opinion.
What do you mean by this? as far as i know you still need a second target to havoc, or am i getting something wrong?
Free single target DPS in the context of putting it on Paku on Conclave or Spark Bots on Mekka and building additional Shards and Rolling Havoc stacks with it by spamming Soulshard builders instead of Chaos Bolts during the Havoc window.
Edit: heroic Gronk still allows for solid Havoc usage as the adds come more often, but one at a time giving you more uptime. So for heroic raiders that’s two more fights where Havoc/Rolling Havoc/Flashpoint can be extremely useful.
heroic gronk might give more rolling havoc windows, im not familiar with the timings of the adds, however i disagree that flashpoint would be a good trait for gronk, or even jadfire masters. Due to the traid being dead for about 80-90% of the fight. Rolling havoc could work, like i said i dont know, but their are other traits that would be stronger on gronk especially. Like chrasing chaos trait (does require quite a bit of haste, as loosing even a single chaos bolt during the time is a huge loss), the trait that gives you a chance to give you instant cast incinerate etc.
My point wasn’t really to suggest that people should be running Flashpoint on Gronk specifically. I probably should have worded that differently.
I need ~46% uptime for Flashpoint and 38% uptime for Rolling Havoc (assuming 6 stacks) to break even with Covenant in terms of flat DPS gain according to my single target stat weights. Haste gains more value if cleaving is possible.
It’s also worth noting that enough haste from Flashpoint can result in a 4th Chaos Bolt per Havoc, but I’m not considering this in the uptime % because it’s a not consistent and a pain to evaluate (you need more than just Flashpoint procs for it).
For heroic fights, getting close to or above 38% Rolling Havoc uptime is possible in every fight except Opulence and, most likely, Jaina. This damage increase also typically comes in times where extra DPS is beneficial for the fight compared to Covenant that offers a static DPS increase.
Flashpoint is only useful as a total DPS increase for Conclave, Rastakhan, Mekka and Blockade, but it can still be useful as a mini-Heroism for a few other fights in case you need extra DPS to deal with mechanics that allow you to proc Flashpoint. The uptime is also not that bad in most cases - around 25 - 30% except for Opulence. This is true for both heroic and mythic (Spark Bots don’t reflect DoT damage).
So… I’m not really sure where I’m going with this. I’m just killing some time while waiting for stuff to start. I guess, TL;DR Rolling Havoc and Flashpoint are better than people give them credit for, even though they are still situational.
I agree with you 100%. And im honestly not sure what im doing here either. Just find it intresting to discuss with people :D.
I guess we kinda went to far down the rabbit whole
I have one of each I absolutely LOVE demo having an army of demons kicking the heck out of an enemy is so so soooooooo gratifying to watch and not to mention you feel so darn powerful.
Now my destro is only level 58 but so far he seems a little spammy but he is fun to play and unlike demo it doesn’t need a ramp up.
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