Hola guys. Was searching around but cant find any decent info. I wanna discuss about will it work if i will ignore all this bis lists and guids about fury wars, and wont go for ARP in gear, but instead will stack alot of haste. Mby even try swap on some fast weapons like 2 mace from bt trash. ?) I pretty understand what it lol ) But still. As i understand it will lead to biggest rage inc all time, so i can abuse heroic strike and cleave to dump it, and prolly will more execute dmg. Main qestion how this build will be compare to ARP one? Any one tase it?
In a 15 year old game where everything has been theorycrafted and simmed and tested I’d trust the bis list and go for crit/arp instead of haste but maybe that’s just me.
And fast weapons? No. Maybe during execute spam but not for the first 80%.
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Well ye m8 whats what i tell, all “trust” this bis lists, and just do as all rest )) But no one even bothering to try something diferrent. I pretty shyre this way best for min max dps. But i was searching not about it, i wanna know how bad will be haste stacking set and fast weapons vs ARP one and slow weapons. Like 5%? 10? 50? And rly no one even try it?
Like I said, 15 year old game. I’m sure people have tried most things you can think of.
Might be 1% worse might be 20% worse or more, I guess if you try it yourself you’ll know for sure.
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Ye i will for shyre, just miss alot of this haste gear to try it out.
Aren’t there any resources out there for simming a haste build for Warriors ?
The Warlock discord has it’s own Warlock gear sim, I’d be surprised if one hadn’t been written with you zug zugs in mind
Good idea will search around, thx
And yet they still keep coming with something new and actually good. Example would be Kebab spec, it wasn’t used until TBCC but now (after 15 years) it turned out to be the preferred PvE arms spec. Of course two-hander is stronger, nobody argues with that, but Kebab is easier, more fun to play and less vulnerable to mechanic-caused downtimes, hence its popularity.
Never be afraid of trying something new. You never know.
Will it work? Yes you will do dps, but you would do more dps if you stacked Crit/AP and got your haste from procs and pots.
Without crit the spec doesn’t really function, so if you start only equipping haste heavy equipment your crit level will be very low and your dps will suffer. In the end haste is quite weak as a point per point stat, it got nerfed heavily during the original TBC and we have the nerfed version.
Dragonstrike and Dragonspine Trophy are special because they are over budgeted.
Edit : And FWIW I am the author of a certain “bis list” that has been used for years on Pservers and have worked on an edit of old dps sheets from 2007/8, Fury Warrior dps in TBC is not a mystery to anyone and both the theory and the practical testing has been done time and time again, you want the best dps you stack crit/ap/armor ignore, if you want consistency you stack even more Crit (gems), if you want glory runs with Reck you gem STR.
Fast weapons mean your whirlwind does less damage, your sweeping strikes charges will get consumed by more low damage autoattacks and your heroic strike/cleave will burn through rage faster (meaning DPS is more expensive on rage), you’d also do more threat relative to your dps than with slow weapons (same reason a tank uses fast weapons, because they have rage to burn and want more threat).
On top of that you’re also using more flurry charges relative to how many you’re proccing, since procs from instant attacks remain the same but you’re using more with faster weapons (lower flurry uptime average). The only benefit to faster weapons is smoother rage generation, which can make it easier to press execute every GCD.
If you’re going to try fast weapons do yourself a favour and just use it in the offhand, like Dragonstrike + Swiftsteel.
Wow thx for real answer m8/ But still in mine head was dunmb haste stacking in all items - it was mostly, sarcifice ARP only and insted get Haste/ So hit and crit in generaly will be on same positon/ But ye prolly good point about faster flurry eating… but on other hand it my opinion it must be more procs also if using fast weapons/ No? And once more i understand it not min/max gearing but still as you think how bad it will be VS ARP gear? Any idea
You get more procs from the auto swings but you use them faster, slow/fast there is no difference here in flurry uptime when autoing. The difference is you also get procs from Whirlwind, Bloodthirst and Execute etc and the amount of times you use those abilities doesn’t change with weapon speed.
What that means is the slower your weapon the more your average flurry uptime increases from using your instant attacks, albeit a very minor difference. There are some weird situations where faster weapons can be better, if you had infinite rage then Heroic Strike dps technically increases with a faster weapon (since it adds static damage the percentage increase over the weapons own damage is higher on faster weapons), the issue with that is situations of infinite rage to sustain that level of spam rarely happen.
Also consider that when HS is queued your offhand cannot miss, with faster weapons the rage cost to keep that benefit going is also higher, meaning you’re seeing an increase in offhand misses which may counteract the benefit of smoother rage from the fast weapon.
I can understand the want to play around with different styles though, but try to stick with a slow main hand, Dragonstrike is incredibly good and even fits your “haste” build style, swiftsteel bludgeon is actually a really strong weapon stat budget wise so it’d be a fine offhand. I wouldn’t neglect Armor Ignore though as along with Crit it’s the only thing that increases your Execute damage.
Ever noticed how much rage and how crazy dps you do on Shade of Aran? That’s due to his unusually low armor for a raid boss, that’s kinda a similar effect to playing with high armor ignore gearsets.
Thx for your answers m8. Will continue experimesnts - and hopefully later continue this topics to share mine discoveres )
I use slow weapons with no haste (outside of the usual procs) and I still have excess rage when using heroic strike. I generally have to also mash hamstring to dump my rage. The only time I get rage starved now is during the execute phase.
Test what you want, but you’ll find that the typical ArP and slow weapon build does way more damage for 80% of the fight.
Swapping to a fast mainhand is viable during the execute phase. The less rage execute uses, the better since the base damage is more valuble than the damage-per-point dump.
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