Haunt and Shadow's Embrace

Classes Warlock
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The 10.1.5 patch did a LOT of good things for affliction, namely removing Malefic Affliction from the game. It’s absolutely amazing as it allows affliction to actually be able to burst when you start a fight against a boss. It reduced our set up time by 3 casts, which is really nice.

Now however, I see that Haunt has been hotfixed to no longer apply or refresh shadow’s embrace. Which in effect means Affliction has had additional set up added back to it, just after a lot was rightly removed. WHY ? This makes no sense, Affliction had a ridiculously long set up, you removed some, and now you’re adding back some ?

This makes no sense, please revert it, or better yet, simply remove Shadow’s Embrace and change it to bake it into Unstable Affliction, just like the “Contagion” talent in Legion : The target affected by Unstable Affliction takes 4.5/9% more damage from the warlock.

Noone actually bothers maintaining Shadow’s Embrace on more than 1 target anyways, we have way too many and better things to do. So it wouldn’t be a DPS loss. It would be a nice QOL change though that would complement the removal of Malefic Affliction. It would remove the 2 (NOW 3!) ticks of drain soul we have to channel when opening on a boss to get shadow’s embrace up and running, when really what we want is to start rapturing as soon as possible.

It was already annoying having to channel Drain Soul during the opening to add 2 stacks to shadow’s embrace. Now it’s even longer, since we need to drain for 3 ticks instead of 2. This also creates issues in the rotation, because very often Haunt was a very efficient way to refresh Shadow’s embrace on our main target while dotting other things. Now this option is gone and we have to cast Drain Soul for just 1 tick, so additional GCDs we have to spend when we’re already pretty GCD starved.

This is an issue Affliction already had in Shadowlands, too many things to manage at once, and very early on, Haunt was changed to also contribute to Shadow’s Embrace to help us manage it all. It should remain like that, Affliction still has a big number of things to manage.

This was not a bug, contrary to what the bluepost said, it was an intentional change, it was even less something that needed to be fixed.

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Hard to believe it that Blizz are fixing working mechanics.
I do worry that they less and less knows what they are doing there with Affliction… shame

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Agreed. Totally contrary to the intent stated for other Aff changes

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Affliction is a mess to play atm.
I mentioned in the other post, I’ll mention it here now.

Entered Dawn of the Infinite today @ Morchie as Affliction and I absolutely lost it there.
Not only does she remove -all- your dots when she turns into multiple versions of herself, but you have to re-apply them every damn time and constantly move.
Your eyes are glued on DoTs and their expiration, so it’s inevitable you’re gonna mess up the mechanics because you have to press 6+ buttons to achieve proper rotation and DPS.

I switched to Destro and melted her. A friend and I practically duoed her. Pally tank and me as Destro.
At this point I feel like not touching Affli at all until they get rid of button bloat and MR.

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Haunt started contributing to Shadow’s Embrace back in Cataclysm. The interaction was brought back early in Shadowlands because shadow’s embrace is a very bothersome thing to manage.

This change makes NO sense.

Please revert it, let Haunt contribute to Shadow’s Embrace once again. Having to channel 1 tick of Drainsoul when I’d much prefer refreshing DoTs or rapturing is extremely annoying.

This interaction was not a bug, it was an intentional change made by the developers at the time. It was never added into the tooltip of Haunt (or Shadow’s Embrace), but it was in the patch note.

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I still think that Shadow’s Embrace should be removed and baked as passive damage amp into Unstable Affliction, it would make the spec even smoothier.

But for now I’m fighting for bringing back the interaction between Haunt and Shadow’s Embrace.

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We should fight for removing Shadows Embrace. It is a just another “buff” to watch.

Let us have there Syphon Life as passive leech for all damage we do. And Absolut Corruption needs to be baseline, and the new/old talent is Dark Bargain. So Affliction can talk some damage.

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back in wotlk when haunt was first introduced

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Last time I played affliction and it felt Good was wotlk, maybe MOP.
Its Good that they are trying to make some changes but why would I bother with a mid spec at best if I can just spec demo and do S tier damage.
Let it go guys, spec demo or destru and start having fun.

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Affliction is in a pretty good spot with the changes to Malefic Affliction, and I find it pretty damn fun to play in raids, especially on Sarkareth MM, and in M+ where it truly blasts now.

But that ridiculous change is really irritating, noone asked for this, it doesn’t make any sense.

PLEASE make Haunt interact once again with Shadow’s Embrace.

OR, change Shadow’s Embrace into : “The target affected by Unstable Affliction takes 4.5/9% more damage”. That would be the absolute best.

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I cant seem to match the numbers as aff to the numbers I pull as destro. Not to mention when I play aff i feel like that sweating gaming dude from meme, trying to put all the dots, cast haunt, UA, spam seed, keep VT up. Where as destro i pop trinket, infernal and when its two packs of mobs, boom 500k DPS while casual ROF spamming :smile:

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