Havoc and Metamorphosis is disappointing

Classes Demon Hunter
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The biggest issue with the Cooldown nowadays is just that everything that made it good got gutted to death.

Leech? Absolutely destroyed so much that it is not even noticeable anymore.

Single Target Damage? Is absolutely non existant. Back in Legion, we had proper talents to further empower our burst, having the option of lining it up with Nemesis and Chaos Blades for massive damage.

However, now in Shadowlands, on its own? Its an absolute joke. Why is Wings exactly two Minutes, has with an talent almost the same Duration but is ten times more powerful than Metamorphosis? Without First Blood, Death Sweep is not even worth using Single Target either.

Being in Metamorphosis means absolutely nothing anymore nowadays. I could understand being somewhat weaker outside of the very class defining Demon Form, but in comparance to Vengeance, where you are literally almost unkillable, Havoc Demon Hunter Metamorphosis is a half-dead mosquito trying to give you a few out of breath stings before it gives up the motor completly.

5% buffs, 3% buffs. All of that wont change the fundamental issues the Spec is facing. Why are there still absolutely dead talents like Fel Barrage, Essence Break, DESPERATE INSTINCTS, heavily nerfed Unbound Chaos???

Why was Demonic Appetite further nerfed ontop of our already heavily destroyed baseline survivability, where we on the raw tooltable have nothing else available than 20% damage reduction and 20% 8 second AoE avoidance?

The transition from BfA to Shadowlands:

Baseline Leech gone.
Blade Dance/Death Sweep gone.
Demonic Appetite nerfed.
Demonic nerfed.
Nemesis pruned, slot completly wasted by non-Legion Fel Barrage once again.
Blur damage reduction reduced to 20% from 35%.
Netherwalk CD nerfed to 3min from 2min.

Dead Talents that are NEVER picked in the form of:

Unbound Chaos
Essence Break
Desperate Instincts
Fel Barrage
Mana Break (PvP)
Demonic Origins (PvP)

Ontop of that, Detainment (PvP talent for Havoc) and Illidan’s Grasp (PvP talent for Vengeance) are both only working 50% with no fix in sight. Detainment is not stopping player-based heals like Dispersion on the target anymore and you cannot toss people with Illidan’s Grasp either.

There has been enough recommendations, suggestions, attempts to communicate. Why do you give such little of a damn about your customers? I’d just like to point towards the Playerbase BEGGING massively for First Blood baseline since the Shadowlands Alpha, but nothing.

When I write these things and even look at them myself again, I absolutely wonder, dear Blizzard: Do you EVEN PLAY YOUR OWN GAME?

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Havoc is a joke. Legit regret not listening to the Beta doomsayers and rerolling. Imagine being a Hunter, avoiding half the mechanics and doing 20% more DPS

But now it’s too late to start the grind over, I refuse to grind thousands of Anima again. I guess the only option is to unsub.

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why would you grind anima of all things tho lol. its only use is to buy some garbage upgrades for the covenant sanctum or some toys and cosmetics lol. thats like saying i refuse to reroll and level up cooking from 0 again.

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I really wish they would make fel barrage baseline again to give us another button and make it so it works like it did in legion.

Revert blade dance and give leach back I’d be happy

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Because the Queen’s conservatory and mission table is huge money

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Because my broski, too many kids cried on forums every single day about our rotation, about gushing bfa, about how much leech we had, etc…

So blizzord instrad of reworking the class, they just made us weak, no damage, no nothing.

Respect for for everyone who stood with DH and keeps playing while this clow fiesta goes on and on. :v:

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Half the talents are absolute garbage and useless. They are a waste of a slot in every scenario.

Metamorphosis is a joke. Its a 4 minute CD and DH’s burst barely reaches the avarage.

For single target you only use Death Sweep to trigger Chaos Theory, that is literally the only reason you use First Blood instead of Cycle of Hatred, because it makes Death Sweep cheaper, so you can press Annihilation more.

If Unbound Chaos would be scrapped, because its literally useless and would be swapped out with First Blood, then it would truly be a choice between AoE or Single Target. Because Glaive Tempest is the ultimate AoE choice, but what makes Single Target shine is First Blood. Putting it in the same line as Cycle of Hatred just shows how little Blizzard knows about their specs.

So now on Single Target I have a 4 minute CD that is outperformed by 2 minute CDs, and I have a 30second CD that gives a minor Haste buff for 10second.
If HDH could have Cycle of Hatred with First Blood, HDH would only have about a 5-10second downtime on the Haste buff, instead HDH has a 20second downtime.

TL;DR:
-Shorten the CD on metamorphosis AND reduce the dmg of its venthyr proc.
-Replace Undound Chaos with First Blood.

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Why? That would only make PvP better for HDH, but every other scenario would still be terrible.

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Metamorphosis should be 3 Minutes. If need be, just reduce its duration by 5 seconds to compensate.

UBC shouldnt get replaced with First Blood however. First Blood should become baseline, Essence Break needs to get removed aswell and we get Bloodlet and something new in place of UBC, EB and Desperate Instincts, and obviously old Fel Barrage.

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Well Yeah, making FB baseline is a possibility. Blade Dance right now is amazingly underwhelming.
For AoE is a waste of a GCD and for Singletarget its only purpose is to procc Chaos Theory.

Why I want it to replace Unbound Chaos is that so we could have Cycle of Chaos that would boost HDH dps greatly, because you want to spam Chaos Strike anyway. And if they want us to chose either single target or AoE, then it makes sense to put FB in the same row as Glaive Tempest.

I think this minor change would massively boost HDH dmg output WITHOUT any %buff.

Yes, meta should be a 3minute CD, that is why in BfA vision of perfection was so popular As a major Essence slot.
However, I think Sinful Brand would be broken on a 3 minute CD of they would not nerf it a little.

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This is not good, because Trial of Ruin is on the same tier aslong as Glaive Tempest, with the latter granting one additional fun button press.

What would be a lot cooler to have is both Trial of Ruin and Bloodlet for a bleeding/dot mini spec for a lot of good sustained pressure, with First Blood baseline.

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We need a total overhaul… this just doesn’t work anymore… and a third spec, possibly caster. Either that or separate momentum choice and make the third spec around it letting demonic win havoc spec

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I don’t get it why everyone wants bloodlet getting back if I remember correctly back in legion this talent was underperforming some poor minor dot from trow glave.
And only working when you put legendary bracelet for dmg increase.
In the other hand we have essence break yesterday in torgas I managed to get both talents first blood and essence break in the start of the run and let me tell you this whit the haste of eaebeam and the dmg from EB this class was monster.
And if we have first blood baseline I will choose cycle of hatred for pve and essence break for pvp because in this expansion classes are defined in the furst 10 sec whit they burst potential and right now dh don’t have anything remotely to that.
If I choosing the talents I will make First Blood baseline and In his place will put fel barrage and in the final roll wil bring back chaos theory.

P.S only my opinion :yum:

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Trail of Ruin gives you about 5% of your dmg. Its neglegable.

Glaive of Tempest is only good for cleave dmg, and you wouldnt press Blade Dance/Death Sweep on cleave anyway, so you dont need First Blood on cleave.

Its the ultimate choice. Glaive or FB.

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Chaos Theory is already a legendary and momentum would only be useful if it would greatly overpower demonic.

Fel barrage would be nice, but if its not an OP spell, then it gets overperformed by everything else.

Its too many GCD to use. Right now, its all about not wasting GCD. For AoE you only want to spend GCD on Glaive and EyeBeam, everything else will either be ChaosStrike spam or to gain fury.
For Singletarget you only want to waste GCD on BladeDance to procc Chaos Theory. That is why we desperately need Cycle of Hatred, because no matter what you do, you spam ChaosStrike.

If anything, Cycle of Hatred should be baseline. Because atm that defines Havoc.

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Sorry I was mistaken I put chaos theory as a talent and yet i thinking for the old one back in legion chaos blades then we will have more competitive roll in the final tier and I put fel barrage in place where first blood was because back in legion I often played momentum + fel barrage for some explosive dmg burst.
And i think the legendary have to be helpfull and not so impactful to the rotation of the class

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