Havoc talent tree changes, oh no!

Classes Demon Hunter
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You nerfed momentum to the ground, and our fury regen.

Just why. We may have to waste gcd’s on demons bite again big sigh blizzard big sigh. it was already bad. with isolated prey fel rush gave you 40-50 fury for a single gcd, now they nerfed it to be a pseudo demons bite (25-30 fury, exact same as demons bite) so you’re still wasting gcd’s to get fury now, but you will be starved as you still use 2 demon’s bites in a row at least now (2 gcd’s you could use on chaos strike) so may not be able to take demons blades.

I really thought you brought back demon blades which would have meant we could use our gcd’s to actually do stuff, but you really want us spend gcd’s to generate fury. And at least make momentum trigger from felblade, but the worst part is you made us choose between felblade and a ragefire build which further makes our fury regen worse.

why do we have to pick between fury regeneration and good aoe. the previous talent tree was much much better than this for fury.

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(cant edit main post) well done to giving demon hunter two buttons to press again with demons bite. i was hoping with your sinful brand removal we wouldnt have to spam two buttons, but CoH is still a thing, Chaos strike spam is still a thing, you still need fury to get more Eyebeams (less meaningfully now so you use other stuff)

bring back demons blade, give us a way to skill into passive fury regeneration on both ragefire AoE and eyebeam ST builds. if you want us to press demons bite again then bring back sinful brand!

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Fury Regeneration feels fine on Beta right now. You got Demonic Appetite as a choice alongside Demon Blades or Insatiable Hunger. Fel Blade is almost always picked now too due to Main Talent Tree and to overkill it you can still pick Immolation Aura extra fury gain.

Demon Blades got a small fury nerf bat yes but I rather have it this way than hitting an enemy and not getting any fury at all in the worst cases as it is now on live.

What feels more off is the very low haste you have now. Metamorphosis is only 10% Haste now, which means you cant get two Death Sweeps into one Demonic Window anymore unless you go for Shattered Destiny. (With the 17% haste my Dragonflight Character has I lack a whooping 2 seconds to squeeze a second Death Sweep in)

I dont think Aura of Pain is not as necessary as you make it out to be. With the big buff to Eyebeam now dealing only reduced damage beyond 5 targets instead of 1, we got a massive AoE boost by itself.

Whats more problematic is Ragefire being on the wrong side meanwhile Burning Wound is on the other.

Overall I am very happy with the current tree although half the talents are bugged. Left side is crit and momentum based, right side is Mastery and somewhat burst based, and middle is a very fun demon build where I managed to get 2 Minute of Metamorphosis before I ran out of Demon Form thanks due to Shattered Destiny and Cycle of Hatred.

CoH feels great now since it affects Glaive Tempest and Blade Dance alike and I cant wait for Restless Hunter and Inner Demon to properly work with Demonic.

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It’s still a choice between Fury and damage. We shouldn’t have to make a choice that will slow down the class. Choices should be between damage and damage. Choosing between damage and speed forces us into less desirable options (even if speed is indirectly damage) such as Demon’s bite which will be a DPS loss overall when you factor in the amount of GCD’s we will waste as a result.

This new talent tree HAS to change, the first iteration was a lot better in my eyes, not perfect, but this is just horrible. The promising news is that burning wound will be affected by Throw Glaive which is necessary to a good Demons Blade playstyle. I can’t wait to benefit from Windfury like most of the Melee classes. They are making changes that will allow us NOT to rely on demons bite but then starving us of Fury…

I just hope the current talent tree doesn’t make it to live, as you said, the tree is all over the place, you will be stretched thin trying to make talents synergise and then fury starved. Treat us right Blizzard, we deserve it after our DPS rankings being constantly low.

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Fel Blade specifically with Any Means Necessary deals good damage too.

You really overvalue 6% crit which is more ment for Vengeance than for Havoc.

I think DH will do really well with the current iteration of the tree. We will have 3 ways of building our character with crit left, haste middle and mastery right side and its absolutely fantastic.

I do not understand where you are getting this fury starved from? I’ve been testing my beta DH right now the last hour on a training dummy and there arent any scenarios where you are fury starved for numerous seconds back to back, even with Demon Blades and the 16% Haste the Template Character has.

Specifically Momentum on the left side feels absolutely wonderful and has no issues with fury regen whatsoever. This will be even less the case versus non-stationary targets like in M+ where there is some downtime between packs or in PvP where you have no uptime due to kiting or CC.

For Fury regen you can have: Fel Blade, Demonic Appetite, Burning Hatred, Demon Blades or Insatiable Hunger, Critical Chaos increasing fury regain chance, Tactical Retreat, Isolated Prey, Blind Fury and Sigil of Flame (which I havent picked yet) and in PvP you gain the dispell alongside kick granting fury aswell.

Where are these fury regeneration problems you are speaking of? Yes, Demon Blades fury regen is a bit lower than before, but you also got more options now especially if you pick the path that benefits the most from Demon Blades, which is Momentum on the left.

In my Shattered Destiny Build, where I had almost an Metamorphosis of 2 Minutes again, I had maybe 2 or 3 seconds where I couldnt do anything overall.

The tree isnt “all over the place”, theres right now in my opinion just one talentslot that feels a bit off and thats Ragefire being on the left of Cycle of Hatred instead of on the right to benefit from Burning Wound. Thats it. The rest synerges very well and actually allows Demon Hunter to have 3 stats to play around with and three different playstyles.

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On beta right now fury regen is way better than shadowlands, like incredible actually

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