Healer balance

PVP Arenas
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I main a caster mistweaver and although I don’t play at a high rating I feel there’s a huge gulf between healing specs.

Typically if I’m matched against a priest, paladin, prevoker, shammy etc it feels like a have chance. However, against a Druid it just kills my vibe.

I levelled a Druid over the past week and I’m still gearing up but I’m shocked at the tools and power I have.

Spammable cyclone is unreal, even in a group melee in a bc I can remove an enemy healer out the game.

If I get rooted I shape shift.

I can’t be polymorphed

I can stealth to get the advantage

I can dash and create distance.

If I cc my treants will heal for me.

I have a root and mass root.

Most of my damage abilities which I have time for because my heals are all hots are instant, range and dots. I can switch to boomy to make the damage more powerful too.

I can switch to bear form for defence. I don’t have to wait on a defensive cool-down for damage reduction.

I have time to see what’s going on around me, I jumped in some skirmishes and I found that once I hottted everyone up I could safely hide behind a pilar and harass and cc the other healer.

I find in arena other healers put them selfs at risk trying to cc my Druid but I just bash and cyclone. I am actually terrible at using my monk cc but with my Druid it’s my go to spell because I can spam it.

If I’m paired with another Druid it’s actually quite funny.

I’m really looking forward to getting geared and jumping into solo shuffle.

With mistweaver I find I’m at risk with being kicked when channeling soothing mist.

My damage is melee putting me at risk of cc and cleave.

We have good mobility but we are squishy when our bubble is on cd.

I feel they really need to give monks 4 specs. Splitting fist and caster healer into yulon and chi hi specs. Give yulon specs range chi spells. It doesn’t need to do loads of damage just that ranged capability.

I feel cyclone needs to break on damage, if not stick it on a cool-down.

I could go fistweaver but there’s so much going on in bgs and arena I don’t think I’m skilled enough or cope with that stress lol.

I do love caster mistweaver but I do feel like healer balance needs a tweak in pvp.

Rather than nerf Druid how can we bring other healers up to Druids level?

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As Holy priest the worst healer off the pac i eaven find fw monk overpower, i constant need too spam healing most of it hardcast eaven outside of cds from the enemy
But the worst is that i relay on my teammates using der defensiv cd inteligent
I got a bit of cc and i am good at avoiding cc but thats it no damage no real controll of the game i feel like a NPC

Maybe i should restart my Rdruid

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I think holy priest is the most affected by dampening healer, among other things. That’s a big disadvantage.

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This! It either needs to be in the same boat as Lock’s Fear / Poly or it needs to have a cooldown. Having an unbrekable cc without cd is op as hell.

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Ive mainly been playing bgs since i leveled my druid for the gear but man its so much more fun than my monk.

I adore wildgrowth, an aoe hot is so much fun. Im not rooted to the spot channeling soothing mist.

I love being able to do damage with instant cast moonbeams and sunfire.

I wish i had tried this class years ago! Gutted now because i just realised i cant get the mage tower appearance lol

Also just noticed that Efflorescence continues to heal even if you run out of it, why arent there more aoe abilities that function this way?

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Imo all fears, roots and clone should have been reduced in PvP by the same duration polymorph was - like 2 seconds I think it was.

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I dont expect any tuning due to AWC. Playing holy priest, but its current state is horrible.

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There are two main nerfs that made H Priest weak. First is the mastery change. It heals the same in shorter period of time. In the past you used Guardian and PWL or Serenity into it so mastery kept someone up. Now you probably need 2 big heals. 2nd thing is that they nerfed Symbols of Hope because of raiding. Some guilds stacked H Priests and reset all defensive CDs between every difficult phase. Last one made all Priests suffer. Due to M+ all Priest specs Mass Dispel is 2 min. CD. Holy needs a lot of love. Maybe they should bring back NF Fae Guardians somehow.

P.S.:

Stop harassing my fresh mage you bastard xD

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It needs a rework. The way the spec works is that you have next to no healing outside of holy words. In raiding this is fine because there are other healers that are healing alongside you, in content where you are the only healer it causes problems, especially when the damage outpaces holy word cycling.

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Not really. It was 2nd best healer last season and one of the best in SL with similar design. It just needs it’s PvP numbers buffed.

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PoM Set + mastery, in addition to that people weren’t dying anywhere close to as frequent as they do now before they got their GCD ready again if they press an ability at the wrong time.

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Current set is actually stronger than the last season one. It’s just Symbols and Mastery got nerfed too hard. Symbols and Mastery get buff in PvP and Holy is perfectly fine.

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I’ve had people die before I even get a single proc from it in a round of SS, so I doubt it. I’ve had several lobbies where I only get one or two procs for the whole lobby. Then on top of that, you need to have a charge to actually use it.

No. Healing power needs to be moved away from the holy words and moved into other heals.

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I don’t doubt it as it’s what my 2700+ last season friend says. He definetely knows more about H Priest than me if he mained it.

Why is that? What makes Guardian keep people alive is mastery from Holy Words used during Guardian. Why would you want H Priest to have weaker CDs and less healing burst?

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We would see less people using defensives they don’t have to if we had a less bursty and more stable healing profile. It would be a huge QoL for playing a holy priest and for playing with a holy priest. I sit there kind of “Is he gonna use serenity? Is he gonna pre-- NO, I’M PRESSING MY CDS” and then I get a serenity on me when I play DPS with a holy priest healer in SS and then I wasted the CD because I didn’t actually need it.

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They need freewin in 1 v 4, Blizzard just give them, what they pay for. It wont be changed, gamer are too good.

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What you say has literally 0 sense. The issue of H Priest isn’t lack of healing because it pumps a decent HPS. It lacks proper healing CDs. In previous season you could press Guardian Spirit and then Serenity or Power Word: Life so Mastery kept someone alive. Sadly with the change it doesn’t because hot even though heals for more lasts shorter so you have to pump a lot of healing into Guardian.

Other CD you had was Divine Hymn. A lot of time people trade Redeemer with it to be 100% sure that it won’t be kicked. Holy Priest had also Hymn of Hope nerfed (Symbols of Hope talent). It reduced friendly defensive CDs by a lot. Due to raiders stacking H Priests it got nerfed to the ground. If you make H Priest work like you described it will become 2nd Prevoker that pumps 200 k hps but has no CDs.

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It makes perfect sense.

I feel like I’m almost constantly on the edge of dying when playing DPS with holy priests in solo shuffle even though I know they’re bursty as hell with their healing. If they don’t press the serenity and stuff, I die if I don’t press a CD. If they press the serenity and stuff and I press a CD because I feel I’m gonna die if I don’t, I just wasted the CD for nothing.

It does so in bursts. The healing profile isn’t stable at all and it’s scary as hell playing a DPS with a holy priest after I’ve played with some as DPS. Meanwhile, I can tell very easily when I need to pop CDs when being healed by a resto druid because their healing profile is stable as hell.

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And it goes exactly back to what I said. You have no CD to trade. What was your CD was Guardian with Serenity or Power Word: Life used during Guardian. What kept someone alive and helped you heal was the fact that it stacked Mastery so high that this dot kept someone alive. At the moment it’s exactly what I said - you’re trying to heal like prevoker burst healing someone to 100% 3 times durging 1 enemy CD but you have nothing to trade to lower/reduce the amount of heal you have to pump.

Just once again simply. Guy uses Serenity and will pump huge damage - you use Guardian + Serenity and then you don’t have to spam Serenity but just continue your healing rotation. Now it’s not the case because that hot from Mastery lasts too short and does overhealing.

I don’t want to be that guy but it seems you don’t understand H Priest too much and why it was good before.

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Mastery wasn’t nerfed that hard.