Heat 3 raiding MC

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so we’ve taken the choice to not push heat 3 raiding anytime soon as for the extra effort for what your actually potentially getting just for us isnt worth the time invested. a 20% chance on some ( weapons) being molten isnt worth it. the time itself to get 226 fire which isnt a massive issue by any means but the gold dump in itself just isnt worth the effort. and as the guild im in seem to consistently have some awful loot drops were highly opposed to killing the molten core only for it drop rubbish were going to disenchant.

this isnt a whine by the way but the incentive to raid heat 3 just for us. isnt their. expecting 226 fire res on all players at minimum for not alot of return seems daft to me

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Well, you also get extra Rag loot; since on M3 all of the bosses have a chance of dropping items from Rag.

But on a whole, I agree with you. I like the multiple difficulties, but locking them behind mandatory fire resistence checks was stupid. It also means that should Blizzard follow suit; we’re have to keep our FR gear as well as our NR gear and our Frost-Res gear throughout the entire game; so RIP bag space.

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Given how the game practically throws the gold at you and that there’s not much to actually spend it on anyway, I’d say gold is the least of your problems.

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This is the result of a small player base whining that they dont want harder content with better drops and they dont want others to have access to it either. So blizz made the simplest mechanic, adding FR requirement with the molten looks weapon.

Maybe it the content would be harder + adding loot thats better people would consider it worth doing but most people wont.

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I understand that it’s a core part of Vanilla but spending a lot of gold gaining resists and playing a WORSE version of my character ( less crit, spell power etc ) has always been terrible game design for me.

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Thing is the average player is going to struggle to find 20 men to raid with. Pugging 20 players is hard, too. Even if the average dad manages a stable 20 man and clears H1 MC and Onyxia, they’re going to struggle hard in BWL or AQ which actually require SOME raid coordination and mechanics.

They really should’ve kept raiding 10 man sized.

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That wouldn’t solve the ‘baddies gonna bad’ issue, it would actually make it worse. If you suck in 20 man, you account for 5% of the group. If you suck in 10 man, you account for 10% of the group.

Raiding was never 10 man, nor was it supposed to be. There’s a reason why actual raiding in 10 man was discontinued after MoP in the live game.

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i predicted this would happen back in phase 3 and it has come to pass.
people look at the gains from heat 3 and they go “nah mate its not worth”.

you can thank all the casual/unskilled andies for this btw.

i said “there needs to be an incentive to do the hardest mode or people won’t do it”
they said “no that isn’t true and that would be unfair” (because of course they would say that, how they conclude that it would be untrue let alone unfair is beyond me so don’t ask, they never actually justified that argument) and now the mode is out, and it turns out that 1 extra drop of the exact same quality of loot and some cosmetic weapon glows, compared to heat 2 isn’t worth the hassle considering the time/effort investment needed to do it.

as i haven’t yet done heat 3 myself, i have no idea how much loot the molten core boss drops, but if it isn’t at least a whole extra round of rag-tier loot with about 4-5 drops, nobody is going to bother with it.

they’ll simply farm heat 2 by clapping it with max dps gear (after the ez 96 FR) and get the stuff they need and say screw the cosmetics because classic andies don’t care about flashy mounts or weapon glows.

that’s retail scrubs unironically thinking that cringe factor (i.e a purchased storemount) makes them stand out as cool when everyone around them really just wants to spam /spit at them.

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Accordingly to your logs you are that unskilled andie.
As s PvP player I dont care about parsing, but a guy blaming “bad players” when he is a bad player in PvE is a bit much no?

https ://sod.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/living-flame/zmug#difficulty=3

Im 100% sure that these “retail scrubs” that you refer them to do not have as crappy logs as you tbh.

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Then don’t. No unique items are barred behind h3, so it’s not like you are missing out on anything.

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Bro an average of 60% in the first attended ID is not really bad.
I don’t say this to defend him, i just wanted to make it clear for everyone else who has also “only” 60% or even 40-50% that it is ok as long as it keeps going up with future bosskills.
If it stays below 50% forever then please l2p :sweat_smile:

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Aye but the guy barley can clear H1 with those logs talking down to “bad players” like common how delusional can you get.

These “retail scrubs” he is referring to are probably clearing H3 while he can barley do H1.

Personally I coudnt care less what people parse, when I make my MC pugs I take people with greens and we still clear (never have I checked their logs).

But talking down to people while he is a bot in PvE is a bit much.

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Thank you for sharing!

yes, some people would say farming a dungeon/raid for a mount also isn’t worth it, other people would say it is.

some people spend several thousands on items they only intend to use for transmog. others would also say the gold dump isn’t worth the effort.

So it doesn’t mean the Heat levels are a bad choice, as some people in this thread seem to believe.
There are still a lot of people pushing for H3, even if there is no better loot in it. The same way some guilds do speed runs, even though most of the players in them play wow 16 hours a day, so doing the raid 5min faster because of time issues isn’t really the case.

Personally, I don’t think Fire Resistance should be all there is to it in higher heat levels. I would expect more/harder mechanics, to actually increase the gameplay difficulty of the raid.

But I can’t really say that higher heat granting no better loot is bad (and I am one of the people that enjoy pushing harder difficulties).

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Would totally make more sense because getting the FR cap equip is not even 100% linked to raiding…
They made 3 different raid PREP difficulty levels
and not 3 different raid difficulty levels…

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trust me, you don’t wanna go there.
Spines did once, and he no longer comes around here out of sheer embarrassment.

this priest is an alt - he has done exactly 1 raid in ST, as a dispel bot.
my main is shaman and he is tank, tank parses are a meme and even then my parses are decent on him - mostly purples, and that’s without even trying.
i got actual vanilla enhancement parses to show off that i worked up to world best levels back in 2019 just for occasions like this, if you really insist.

past two weeks of raids on my main have not been logged, but i can assure you i have done both heat 1 and 2.
heat 3 remains out of reach due to guildies not having the FR they need to go.

“you parses are bad”
“i don’t care about parses because i pvp”

ok andy.

the only reason i called out that other dude was because he gets on someone else’s case about “green parses” while refusing to show his own… surely a mega parser would have no problem prostrating his pinks around for all to see?

likely the reason he doesn’t want to show his parses is because he too has greens.

that is called hypocrisy, and i can’t stand hypocrites.

feel free to have a look around whichever raid you want to find my lowest parse on, on my actual sweat shaman from 2019.

here’s nax.

https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/gandling/zmugzmug?zone=1006

and here’s one from zg that includes a world best.

https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/gandling/zmugzmug?zone=1003#partition=3

i could do this again, but i’ve had my fair share of the toxic environment that comes with parsing.

now let me hear no more about parses out of you, andy.

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The extra dose of irony is that Kellduril only looked at my parses on MC H1, a test run that we did on the first reset with no world buffs, no potions and no feral druid (GL playing warrior without windfury).

If he bothered checking Heat 2, Onyxia, ST or any of my classic-through WoTLKC parses (of which I gave him my character name and realm) he’d have seen that my parses were better than his.

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I knew you were a PvE andy hahaha, and yet you spent all that time talking about PvP balance when the only PvP you had experience with was at your dungeon entrance.

Look I dont care about your past life, but you are bashing people in SOD because they have bad “Parses” yet your shammy parses are equally as bad. Bit hypocritical?

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Blood hell Nitromethane, are you really so eagar to lose yet another argument so soon?

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its honestly amazing.
these buns have convinced themselves that if you aren’t sweating with every consumable + hidden tech like dragonbreath chili you are a noob and/or griefing your raid.

its like no bro, i can obtain high numbers if i want, because i’ve done it before under way harsher circumstances.
i’m just chilling in SOD because its an imbalanced mess anyway.

its either “you fotm shaman because its OP” or “you meme shaman parses in vanilla that nobody cares about”.

like they just won’t admit when they’ve been categorically destroyed.

even some rando butting in, backing up that my actual current heat 1 parse (from over 2 weeks ago done in my prebis gear and the ST fist weapon lmao) isn’t even that bad, its above average.

i’ll make sure someone logs our next raid though, because this isn’t the first time some andy wants to try and win an argument based on “muh parse” while having none of his own.

oh wait, i see he does have heat 1 parses.
funny that he calls me out for having only done heat 1 while his logs show him in that exact same position.

now, this could of course be due to nobody having logged his heat 2 raid, however, based on the dates of the logs, this andy has done 3 weeks of heat 1 and haven’t set a foot in heat 2 yet.

if irony have wings, why is it always walking?

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You were the guy bashing other peoples parses you imbecill, and when I showed who your main was you started crying over your parses dude.

Perhaps next time dont bash people based on what they parse?