What´s the point of this thread? Just that OP´s guild wont do heat level 3? Didnt know things that I dont wanna do warrant a thread on the forums.
I dont necessarily want to work 5 days as week, but I still do it because the incentive is there.
It was Kellduril that started the parse conversation; there it is for you, plain as day.
it was thoroughly derailed by no-parse andy kellduril and hunter brain above.
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the point of the original thread was to more so ask if other guild have the same view as us.
as stated there just seems to be little incentive to push for heat 3 currently when the rewards for doing so can be quite minimal.
The whole fire-res gear farm was never something i liked (same with NR farm in AQ). Same with the whole world buff farm, atleast you have the chrono thingy which is a positive thing.
Its just so un-appealing to farm multiple things (sets/cons/gold) just to be able to raid.
Maybe im just not the target demographic, which is fine. Atleast i enjoy pvp, cant wait for rank14 sets/weapons.
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i dont mind world buffs, its just maxing out 226 fire res to get items ( tier that i probably wont wear in the actual raid its meant for) seems a bit kek. i have my bis weapon. cant get it molten. none of the tier is molten. unlike other phases where you got say a glow for wearing 3 set. if they done molten tier upgrade tokens then yeh maybe. hand your tier item in and a molten armament for example you can upgrade it for a tier’d molten glow set item. say shoulder helm gloves. just some random firey glow.
Potatomilk’s gameplay parses may be bad, but his forum parses are all 100’s, that’s for sure!
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Very good point. Dad gamers are the problem.
What would it change, why should it get worse?
For 10 man 1 person is 10%
For 20 man 1 person is 5% BUT double raid size also doubles the possibility to have bad players in the raid… so it is:
10 man 1 person is 10%
20 man 2x1 person is also 10%
For the scenario of which I was speaking, I was speaking as if the person reading was the bad player.
Truth be told, I don’t have the highest opinion of Kellduril.
anything gated behind resistences is just really bad game design in a “season”.
sure you can do MC H1 without any resistence gear, tanks can’t, they need asmuch as possible to even consider tanking rag and not getting uppercutted by him into the next verse.
but what about later phases, Nature Res and Frost Res are very real things (warlocks even have to get Shadow Resistence for Twins in AQ. That’s just time people don’t really want to spend on multiple times. It’s runes from P2-P4 all over again.
Heat 3 is an absolutely dreadful mechanic.
The moment when you can’t use your BIS gear, but have to use suboptimal crafted or gear without stats except FR or stamina, it feels like you’ve stopped progressing.
It will feel even worse once we get into BWL and onwards and once we get T2 or T3 gear heat level 3 will not be played. We’ll still need Eye and Bindings, we’ll still need mats for the legendary weapons too, but there’s zero chance people will downgrade from their T2 or T3 gear to gimp gear to do heat level 3.
Heat level 2 is great, you can achieve it naturally, with gearing in T1 and a few enchants here and there, Sure, it might gimp your enchants, but that’s minor.
I honestly think that Heat 3 is not worth (despite having 3 chars with 226) for the simple reason that I unequip my BIS gear and put on some silly gear that ate up an epic mount or two in costs.
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What has always been fun with raiding is that when you progress, you get stronger gear, this gear also is part of the resistance gear that you need and it makes sure that your DPS will be more than before. This is what we always had in wow and it has worked great.
The 226 unbuffed removes the “stronger” out of the equation which means its simply less fun and less motivating/encouraging to do heat 3.
I personally am not happy with the setup they made for Phase 4. Another thing is that they could had made so that there is no FR requirement which means that even though I have lets say 120 FR, I can still beat MC heat 3 if we as a raid are skilled enough to handle the dmg/mechanics but if thats hard for us then we can just add FR till its much easier. Thats another thing they removed with the 226 Requirement.
What is your guild doing with all the craft material from Molten Core?
Are they just selling it and keeping the gold for themselves?
Getting to enough FR to do Heat 3 isn’t all that difficult and it’s becoming cheaper every week.
You will get a decent amount of FR from your tier sets alone.
Combine with:
- Drakefire Amulet +15 FR
- Onyxia’s Scale Cloak +16 FR (you will need it in BWL)
- Hydraxian Ring +20 FR
- Head enchant +20 FR
- Shoulder enchant +5 or +15 FR
- Cloak enchant +20 FR
- Leg enchant +20 FR
Then buy or craft some FR BoE and upgrade Firelands Ember.
yes precisely.
you can even get two amazing trinkets from DFC and LBRS to go with that stuff, or simply get some onyxia loot, a lot of it which have cracked FR built in.
tanks in particular are being spoiled with the trinket reward for delivering the head, but even if they don’t win the head onyxia herself drops yet another high FR trinket.
there’s so many options tbh.
the game is practically throwing FR at the player and its honestly a bit confusing how people are finding it oh so very hard to get FR.
i think it boils down to them simply being unaware of where to look.
like they simply don’t know about the cloak enchant from waterlords rep, the ring reward from it, the crafted profession epics with embers etc.
i must have repeated the phrase “waterlords gives a +20 FR cloak enchant when you get honored with them” at least 20 times the past week, slapped it all over discord WITH @everyone pings, and people are still asking “what do you get when honored with waterlords?”.
like bro, if you’re just gonna ignore advice, stop asking.
FR 226 isn’t hard to get, its just not enjoyable.
T1 full gives you 61 FR, lets say that there are some mix and match of gear (I have Wild Growth Shoulders which give more FR than T1, but have Crown from Azuregos that has no FR)
I have +20 FR on legs, head and cloak, so that’s 60 from enchants. Lets say 120 total as is now. I’m lucky as a resto druid to have my Dire Maul trinket be bis, so that’s 10 extra (not all classes benefit from this)
Hydraxian ring isn’t the best since i have Cauterizing Band and Entropy, but I’ll survive.
Lets say, this is 150 FR, easy, unbuffed.
For almost all of the fights, ill have AT LEAST GotW, so 27 extra FR. I can also, at this point, use Chromatic Flask instead of Wisdom since with T1 set bonus, innervate is a lot better for the whole raid, so that’s 202 FR, with the buff and flask, but this is gimp consume again.
Now, we get to the nitty gritty. I can’t wear Heart of Golemmag, but need the gimp Drakefire Amulete, or I can’t use Hide of the Wild, but have to use Onyxia scale cloak, so gimp piece. Shoulder enchant, gimp one, can’t use Nightmare Mojo one…
And then, when we’re clearing BWL and my FR drops to 80 overall, what then when we wanna do MC for Bindings and Eye, downgrade to rank 2?
Heat 3 should be nerfed to 175-180, to reduce the need for gimp gear, gimp enchants, gimp consumes and allow people to have a reasonable progression, feeling char is getting stronger and STAYING stronger in next phases. Simple as
Running round in near full bis but not actually able to wear the BiS gear in the raid it effectively meant for is a silly game design.
as i’ve said for us heat 3 is a pure waste of time and effort. and its not about the expense. the item rewards from is are literally #flex, and i personally cant get anything molten worth having because i have my bis from ony. not even the tier from heat 3 is molten (which i honestly believe it should of been)
go through heat 3 kill the molten core itself and get rubbish that no one needs ?. and theres only a 20% chance on molten items which only some players will actually use. na no thanks.
Are we at this point where, before answering, we look into someone’s log ?
Can’t decide if this is hilarious, or just scary.
Are you going to look into mine now ?
It’s best to just completely disregard everything Nitromethane says.
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joke’s on him, i got a top 10 world best parse on onyxia yesterday.
now, that might have been a 9th place, but that’s still top 10.
additionally, i have cleared heat 3 now and finally became relevant in the eyes of these parse monkeys who love to mock other people for their parses while either refusing to show their own, or having bad parses themselves.
don’t waste your time on this particular huntard, i speak from experience when i say he is clueless and not worth the effort.
dude is convinced hunter is one of the hardest classes to master.