Last week I ran a random heroic raid on my Evoker.
I am wearing a champion 8/8 neck and a champion set item 8/8.
Now, the same items dropped in that heroic raid only that they were 1/5 hero and I could not roll need on them because I already was in possession of a stronger version of that item.
Technically yes, an 8/8 champion item has higher itemlevel than a 1/5 hero item. But the hero item has 3 itemlevels more potential and that is what I wanted to roll on.
this has to be an oversight. Now, I am wondering for this week if this is fixed or is it even worth my time to run a heroic raid as a pug? Because if I cannot roll on anything with need then what’s the point.
edit:
Okay I just ran a pug sarkareth normal on that evoker. I could roll need on 4/8 champion boots while having 5/5 hero boots equipped. something is really of here.
I assume the loot in question was a tier piece. Tier pieces have different rules applying for them, so if you have a higher ilvl version than what drops then you cannot roll need on it.
That is the only gear specific restriction I know of. All other loot should still be needable unless you already got the same version as a drop.
Either way, sounds like the rolling system counts of current ilvl not theoretical max ilvl and there haven’t been any blueposts about this so I wouldn’t count on it being fixed.
Raid items and m+ items are on a separate loot progression path. This means that, when I have a 441 hero Weapon from m+, I can roll need on normal mode ash’kandur. Also, I did replace a lot if 437 champion gear in the raid with hero gear, so there must have been a bug in your case
Hero gear is better than Champion gear, but there’s an overlap. A 8/8 Champion piece is better than a 1/5 Hero piece. But the hero piece can be upgraded to be better than the already maxed Champion item
The post mentions a champion 8/8 neck AND a champion 8/8 set item, though. I do not know why you decided to leave it out as it is in the exact same sentence.
Necks do not have special rules attached to them, while set items do. The OP was pretty vague in his post and did not say that the 1/5 hero item was, so I went with the assumption that the drop is a set piece.
the items were an equipped 8/8 champion neck and the exact same 1/5 hero neck I could not roll need on
the other item was an 8/8 champion set item and the token for the exact same set slot 1/5 hero dropping
when I was in normal mode the 5/5 hero shoes were different shoes than the 4/8 champion that dropped - I could roll need on those