To write interestingly, you’d have to write interestingly, yes. That goes for new characters as well as established ones. That the character was well-written 15 years ago doesn’t guarantee that he’ll be well-written now any more than if a new character was created now. So I don’t think the lack of interesting Horde characters is any excuse not to try with new ones. Considerting their current priorities, they’ll likely be boring, bit so are the Alliance ones right now, so what’s new about that?
Except the surroundings and all the pop culture and capitalism jokes I’m not really seeing it. 
And I didn’t particularly miss any of those.
That actually bothered me with the undermines that it was more of references than actually writing something new, those easter eggs and everything starts to be too much with it yeah. Which is the same problem wow has had since cataclysm but now its basically on steroids everything is an reference to pop culture
Somestimes it is a enough when new content gives us something we can laugh about. And Undermine delivers fully on that.
For me it didn’t. No laughs at all. And one of the reasons why, is that my mood was mostly set by my disappoitment about the goblins in their setting. I hope for the game that I’m less typical for the playerbase than you are ( im this at least), but I can say with certainty that it wasn’t enough for everybody.
Goblin stereotype was nailed head on. I am happy with what we got.
As I said, I don’t think what we saw were the goblins we knew 10-30 years ago at all.
These are pretty much goblins from cata to forward, the only difference really is the dialogue being different and the voice acting being slightly off. so it gives different tone
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Yes and I love it alot. This is the most fun I ever had since Suramar.
I remember Kezan as an exercise in scam, slavery, abuse, theft, and generally (self-)destructive behaviours, often perpetrated by the player character (but with the understanding that they’d do the same to you, if they could). I experience Undermine, as a place full of people that want to cooperate for the betterment of all, but are held down by an evil oppressor. I see pirates and mobsters literally cringing before danger. I see tons and tons and quests about violations of contracts, safety violations and legal processes that somehow spark outrage.
So yeah, of course what I see are changes in “dialogue”, because the dialogue creates the context. But said context tells me that the goblins we knew were always just guys like you and me, held down by the evil capitalists. That was not the message in Cata, when racial character was still a thing. I’ll agree that we’ve had these bland workers’ rights goblins since at least BfA, but I hated how they introduced it then, and I hate it now. It’s Star Trek’s DS9 Ferengi arc all over again, just without the competent writers to sell me the crap sandwich.
Before, goblins were a parody of out-of-control capitalism that showed everyone how ridiculously bad it was. Now, goblins are just people, literally telling you how bad out-of-control capitalism is.
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I am glad Goblins get extra dialouge in Undermine. That fits the racial fantasy. We need more of it not less.
This Erevien is hacked, he is actually positive 
No Blizzard actually and finally did something I can enjoy. my goblin RP is through the roof atm.
Aah and you processed your Gallywix grief and can even agree with Gazlowe.
I am proud of you
I don’t agree with Gazlowe. The death of Galylwix is not permanent everyone who played Shadowlands knows he will be back eventually.
i agree with that thing that it was more show not tell thing in past which is lot better writing, and now they basically made the plot referencing things again the whole thing is basically mafia thing now rather than it being completly different in past
Also yea with the pirates and mobsters being total wussies, that is so what every show and game is turning into, it is lot just about making things for broader audience and for kids all the edgier stuff is gone, which i wish that wow would get back but i really doubt it will too much money in this to keep happy older nerds like us rather than marketing it this way to larger and broader audience.
In real world i would agree with gazlowe but this is an fantasy and taking away the ideas that goblins are to their core kind of feels off eventhough this whole thing is better than most of stuff they have done in war within. Only good stuff has been the small sidequests so its not really that huge accomplishement to do actually somewhat “ok” stuff
There is an huge issue with this thing that they try to make it more and more kid friendly and it really takes away the edge of things
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I am happy with Undermine at large and all the quests and RP moments. I am not happy with Gazlowe putting in yet another council. That is all I got to say here.
It’s not just show not tell, though, because that kind of telling is still from the author’s perspective. It’s a change in the characters, because the characters weren’t the ones giving the lesson before, they were the illustration of the problem. The goblins weren’t in on what the authors wanted to present through them before. They are now.
At this point you are the only one to blame for making yourself miserable.