Silver covenant elves are different than high elves. You can create a story that gets you silver covenant elves in the alliance, just that this group will not be named high elves.
And this does not work, because the highborn were the specific group that settled in quel danas and made the sunwell. You cannot make up the backstory for THE high elves, you can only make up a story of a SUBSET of high elves, since the bigger high elf kingdom already exists in the game.
But at the moment you are literally trying to make the case that “I want high elves in the alliance, and I want blizzard to rewrite the story so i can have them”.
A militant core of high elves that rejects the admission of blood elves into the Kirin Tor. They’ve united under the banner of Vereesa Windrunner and joined the Alliance forces in Northrend.
You: Silver Covenant Elves are not High Elves.
I know Anti-Helfers basically have no argument left after Velves and Kul Tirans, but I didn’t expect them to grasp so much at straws.
Because the world in the Stories aren’t the same as it is in World of Warcraft… The City might have been on another island, miles away. It’s only in Game Version of WoW that we can see from one end of the world to the other.
Ingame it takes a couple of minutes to fly from Thunder Bluff to Orgrimmar, in the books it’s described as a 2 week journey.
You are wrong. High elves were present in alliance hubs pre tbc. Like the high elven mage in the mage tower teaching portals. During vanila they use night elf rigs for high elves and during tbc they used the new model introduced in tbc but the alliance npc had blue eyes. SO yes in fact there HAVE been high elves in wow since vanila.
Right, it was totally planned that Maiev akshually saw only a small fraction of the city and the REAL!!! city is hidden behind a giant, city-sized bubble made of pure magic that somehow Maiev, Illidan, Tyrande, Malfurion and their whole forces never even detected.
As I mentioned before, the Ingame world and the Story world isn’t the same Size. All the events you are talking about happened at the Tomb of Sargaras, which is on another island from Suramar entirely.
Like please make a serious try in reading what I am writting.
The silver covenant is a SUBSET of high elves, yes they are high elves, NO they are NOT THE high elves. Enfasis on the “THE”, it is like the forsaken. Yes the forsaken are undead, the undead are the scourge, but the forsaken are NOT the scourge.
You can have silver covenant easily as an alliance race in game, the problem is that you cannot have them as “THE” high elves, since that group already exists.
You’re grasping at straws and failing to acknowledge the simply truth that Blizzard just makes up new story as they go along, in order to accommodate whatever gameplay features they want to put into the game.
Blizzard wanted to put nature-loving bat elves into the game for The War Within, so they just went ahead and made up some random story and lore that enabled them to exist and show up during our gameplay experience.
And now Blizzard are making up some more story for the Haranir in order to enable us to play them in Midnight.
Blizzard just wings the story as they go along.
I think I gave it as an example of how easy it is to write a story basis for introducing a new race into the game. It really doesn’t have to be more complicated than: “…And then this race decided to join The Horde and The Alliance.”
You’re arguing the nerdy lore details of the specifics of my example, but my example was never about the specifics but about whether or not it’s possible for Blizzard to introduce High Elves into the game as a playable race if they wanted to. And the answer to that is absolutely yes.
Now you’re being obtuse.
My fictional Elves that have lived on a fictional island that’s been isolated from the rest of the world for thousands of years can call themselves whatever the hell they please, because that’s the power given to me as the writer of a fictional story set in a universe where there’s no rule that dictates that two races can’t use the same name.
“…And then the High Elves discovered that there were other elves in the world. Some were different from them, whilst others looked very much like them. Some even practiced many of their traditions, used their language, and even shared their name. It seemed much more of their heritage had survived the sundering than they thought.”
Absolutely nonsensical argument considering how Stormwindian Humans are called “Humans” in-game instead of “Stormwindian Humans”, despite the option not encompassing basically any other nationality outside of Stormwindian.
Also, do point out where you see a race already labeled “High Elf” in the character creation screen.
Did you read the part about high elves outside of the kingdom of quel danas remained with the alliance? If you are gonna say that someone is wrong, at least make the effort of reading what you reply to.
The fact that you have individuals of a race that remained allied with the alliance, does not change the fact that high elves AS A RACE/KINGDOM left the alliance, and later on joined the horde. The discussion is not about individuals, but for the race.
Well, Suramar could like Silvermoon be a city so massive it covers several islands.
The best example for the difference between World of Warcraft and the Story World is watching the Cinematic of the Destruction of Dalaran.
In world of Warcraft, it’s basically right on the edge of the Lordaemere Lake and the mountains of Alterac. In the Cinematic however, it’s far out in the middle of nothing being far larger than it’s even depicted ingame at any point.
So yeah, that Maiev was simply on the outskirts of some ruins, is totally believable. Even the Tomb of Sargaras used to be a Temple to Elune and the entire island is covered in ruins. So it’s obvious the Tomb of Sargaras was an ourskirt of Suramar itself. Also from the way the city is described in the books it was massive.
Also, Anti-Helfer… That’s a funny term… I prefer the term, Realist. Cause Blood Elves are High Elves
Again, there is no minimum quota on how large the population of a race has to be in order for it to be a playable race.
Void Elves are few.
Draenei are few.
Pandaren are few.
Humans are many.
Etc.
Playable High Elves for the Alliance can literally just be a group of individuals in Stormwind who’ve decided to stick together under a shared banner.
I mean, what are you even arguing at this point? The argument for High Elves is simply that if Blizzard wanted to, they could make it work. They have enough creative freedom to create a backstory for playable High Elves that would work just fine with the game.
If your argument is that that’s not possible, then I’ve yet to see the evidence for that.
Creation screen tooltip for humans: “The noble humans of stormwind…”
Did you skip the part that Kael thas renamed the high elf kingdom of quel danas blood elves?
Do you think that because a specific kingdom changes its name, any other group is free to yoink the name?
“Raised into undeath, the forsaken have…”
You are trying to square the cycle with making blood elves and high elves a different kingdom,/race which is not possible.
The high elves were the night elf highborn that left with a vial and created the sunwell. They were part of the alliance, got spanked by arthas, left the alliance, followed illidan, namechanged to blood elves, joined the horde. Blood elves ARE “THE” high elves.
The Pandaren on the turtle who are the ones that decide to join the Horde and the Alliance in the first place are few.
Even fan-fictioning off of that and saying that Pandaren from Pandaria have also chosen to join the Horde and the Alliance, they are still few by comparison to the Humans for example.
And it doesn’t matter.
Blizzard doesn’t really try to be very precise with in-game race populations. They are whatever they need to be for the story at any given moment.
The High Elves left the Alliance long before vanilla. Certain individuals remained with the Alliance. To say the High Elves were a part of the Alliance because a few High Elves stayed is like saying the Blood Elves joined the Alliance when Valeera Sanguinar was best pals with Varian.
