High Elves in 12.1 šŸ’™

Fake transgender with fascism complex that wants to be white high elf

You’re also the reason why people despite wow community and blizzard nowadays

It is set in stone for now.

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Just from reading the answers and opinion of others I wouldn’t say it’s ā€œpopularā€. If you know what popular means.

People are mostly disagreeing with you and saying mostly the same ā€œif you want high elves, you have blood elves thereā€.

As mentioned, I agree to add more customizations to existing void/blood elves, but not creating a separate race, since as many claimed it makes no sense at this point.

Might be true, or they might just reconsidered reasons why your post was flagged.

And just one thing - you’re claiming that ā€˜tens of thousands of people want high elves’ … I think this number is strongly exagerated, considering the post and answers are mostly from the same people again and again.
Even ethereals, Amani, ogres or gnolls are requested as playable races, but you don’t see having plenty of active threads.

You’re always saying that people are hating high elf fans, but well if people are consistently opening new and new threads with same topics and proposals you can’t act surprised people are being fed and annoyed by it.

There is a megathread ongoing - why not post it there?
You created during Gamescon (which you bumped now after 20 days of inactivity) a thread with mostly the same approach as you created this one. And when people ask you why you do this, you’re being the one going into insults other people on forum.

I wish, one day you will get the customization you want for your favorite race.

Please seek psychiatric help, you are experiencing an autumn exacerbation :pray:

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We will see :smirk_cat:

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Stone tablets were much more durable then what we have now :sneezing_face:

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And the saying writen in stone were more accurate :dracthyr_a1:

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exactly :100:

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Sorry to burst your bubble, but there was a Senior Developer recently on Twitter who engaged lenghtily with a thread of High Elven requests, and with one comment being ā€œAs I told someone else today, if you want to have high elves, keep making that opinion known!ā€ - which is exactly what people are doing lately.

It’s a pretty good indicator that it’s not as set in stone as you’d like it to be. But I guess you’re not that in touch with reality, given how you were very heated in arguing there’s hundreds of thousands of RPers around. :slight_smile:

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I don’t think that bubble is burstable, Heramaar is probably right about the ā€˜for now’ part, think about it for a moment, blizzard is already struggling adding full fledged new races, they made allied races cause it was too much of a hazzle to create 1-20 lvl starter zones and now thats just a normal feature for new races to not have a lvl 1-20 starting zone experience that introduced the player to unique lore tied to the player characters race.

We’ve had 3 neutral races back to back, only one has a fully rigged unique model on an existing skeleton, dracthyr to this day have to shapeshift to a belf m / human f in order to play around with transmog.

First there is the question if blizzard will ever add a non neutral race again, high elves aren’t neutral, they have neutral high elves that exist in the story sure, but neutral in gameplay is what I’m talking about and neutral in gameplay is, you’re not really neutral, you just get a choice of paint for your roof and you can’t switch after choosing, ever.

If it’ll happen, very unlikely in midnight if we go by how much time they tend to put into newly rigged races and they would have to create a new race for H side as well, the only real logical candidate as an opposite to high elves just got the high elf treatment: becoming another races customization options.

As long as the only races they introduce are all neutral tho, that’d be really bleak for helf

We also had some (Senior) Developers on Twitter from Blizzard a few weeks ago publicly celebrating a celebrity shooting in the USA with implied tweets.

If I were you, I wouldn’t take twitter arguments and talks for ā€œofficial statements and decisionsā€ unless they come from the brand account of a cooperation.

It is very likely that was just some Senior Devs personal opinion expressed, likely from a Dev who hasn’t a say in the matter.

Edit: Just to point at another such thing, back when Helldivers 2 was new, someone from the hired Moderation team of Arrowhead Games posted that players should keep giving the game negative reviews so they can use it as leverage against Sonys region ban/lock for the game employed. Needless to say, the person was laid off quickly after that, despite saying some merit of truth.

Thank you for your support and for such a vivid and important example from the developer’s Twitter :pray:

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So if there is an equal number of no high elf opinion, then what? the eternal stand off continues?

I don’t think folks have actually thought through the implications of that twitter post.

Firstly, let us assume that the reporting is accurate as we don’t have a source. After all, a source is handy for, oh I don’t know…say if someone declared that High Elves were being added in 12.1 and they added little celebratory emojis afterwards and they included a link to a video…which turned out to be Maria Hamilton explaining High Elves would get SOME story time this expansion and that our hypothetical poster had entirely lost the run of themselves. That’s why sources are handy.

I would appreciate a source, but of course if we don’t have one all we can go on is what we have been told.

So let’s take this developer at their word as described. They are encouraging folks to let their voices be heard if ā€˜they want High Elves’. Some are taking this to mean that there’s a chance, and perhaps there is. But if High Elves haven’t been ruled out then what this developer has admitted is this.

They haven’t been ruled in.

Which means all the speculation that Alliance High Elves are going to be a major patch feature in Midnight is for naught, particularly when you know that Blizzard likes to talk about how the developers are already having meetings for 13.2 to show just how far ahead they are in development. You don’t just add an allied race on a dime. Introductory content has to be built. A Horde equivalent created. It’s not an ā€˜oh we better do this due to all the talk on the forums’ process.

Our developer, taken at face value, just ruled out the possibility of Alliance High Elves during the one expansion they COULD make narrative sense and we know that stuff making narrative sense is importance, hence the Haranir.

It’s hard to imagine them justifying Alliance High Elves when we return to Northrend or if we go galivanting around the Arathi Empire.

That of course is IF this developer knows what they are talking about and that they actually have knowledge of this part of the design and are not, say, a zone designer unfamiliar with what is coming in terms of races.

Once again, if I see another post from Kaeros, it’ll just be the same old ā€œblah blah blahā€ all over again :woman_facepalming:

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So you’ve no position then on whether this developer either is speaking in a personal capacity, in which case Alliance High Elves are as unlikely as they have always been…or they are genuinely admitting they haven’t been chosen yet, meaning they won’t be in Midnight?

Either way, not a good outcome for you.

If they going to add new races to game again at sonepoint i rather see those be really new ones not another copy of blood elf just named to high elf what all these high elf posts actually want added to game. Just add same customs to void elfs what blood elfs have and move on

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In the time I have been back on the forums and debating for High Elves or more customazations for void elves, there is always a group of people here who will shut it down.

But they will cite anything Blizzard said, Blizzard did state that more costumazation is a good thing.

If high elf won’t be added as a playable race at least open the door for costumazation for those that want to realize that fantasy through Void Elves or Blood Elves as it stands.

Which is by standard hypocritical.

The Argument Against Alliance High Elves

The primary argument from players (including many Blood Elf players) against playable Alliance High Elves has long been about maintaining faction uniqueness.

The argument is:

  1. Blood Elves are the most-played race on the Horde.
  2. Their visual identity (the ā€œThalassianā€ elf model) is a core part of the Horde’s aesthetic.
  3. Giving the Alliance a race that is biologically and visually identical (High Elves) would dilute the Horde’s identity and make the factions feel less distinct.
  4. From a lore perspective, the Blood Elves represent the main body and future of the race, while the Alliance-aligned High Elves are a tiny, scattered remnant, not a full-fledged playable race.

The Charge of ā€œHypocrisyā€

The hypocrisy argument arises when the ā€œfaction uniquenessā€ standard is not applied consistently.

The Case FOR Hypocrisy:

  1. Void Elves: Blizzard’s ā€œcompromiseā€ was giving the Alliance Void Elves, who use the exact same character model as Blood Elves. While initially distinct with void-themed skin and hair, Blizzard later added normal skin tones and hair colors (including blonde) and blue eyes. A player can now create a Void Elf that is visually indistinguishable from a High Elf. The ā€œvisual uniquenessā€ argument is now void. A Blood Elf player who was against High Elves but is fine with these new Void Elf customizations can be seen as hypocritical.
  2. Nightborne: At the same time Void Elves were added, the Horde received the Nightborne, who use a modified Night Elf model—a core Alliance race. A Blood Elf player arguing to protect their ā€œunique modelā€ while their faction received a copy of an Alliance model is a clear example of a double standard.
  3. Pandaren: The Pandaren race is available to both factions, setting a clear precedent that a race’s model and identity can be shared without ā€œbreakingā€ the game.

From this perspective, the ā€œuniquenessā€ argument was never the real issue. One would say the real issue was simply ā€œwe don’t want the other side to have our pretty elves,ā€ which is a matter of faction pride, not a consistent principle.

The Case AGAINST Hypocrisy:

A Blood Elf player might argue their position is not hypocritical by focusing on lore and identity rather than just visual models.

  1. The ā€œWe ARE High Elvesā€ Argument: This is the most common counter. The Blood Elf player’s position is that they are the High Elves. Their race is High Elf, just renamed. They are defending the main story and population of their people. They would argue that the Nightborne are a different case, as they are a biologically distinct offshoot of Night Elves (transformed by the Nightwell for 10,000 years), not just a small political splinter group like the Alliance High Elves.
  2. Original Void Elf Distinction: Many players were fine with Void Elves as long as they were visually distinct. The hypocrisy claim, in their view, should be directed at Blizzard for adding the High Elf customization options later, not at the players who argued for uniqueness from the start.

Conclusion

So, are they hypocrites?

  • If a Blood Elf player’s argument is ā€œThe Alliance can’t have our model because visual uniqueness between factions is sacredā€: Yes, that position is hypocritical. The existence of Nightborne on the Horde and the current state of Void Elves on the Alliance completely contradict this.
  • If a Blood Elf player’s argument is ā€œThe Alliance can’t have High Elves because we are the High Elves, and that is our race’s central story and identityā€: No, that is not hypocritical. It is a consistent (though debatable) argument about lore and racial identity. They are not arguing about a model; they are arguing about a name and heritage that they believe belongs to their faction.

I for the first time ever added one person to my ignore list on the forums, purely because there is no way to have a constructive debate with that individual. I am open for constructive debate, but if I’m not able to have that, I’ll move on to those who are willing to work together to find a middle ground that’s satisfactory for everyone. So it’s not about censorship, it’s about moving on when the ship has sailed with that individual and reach out to those are willing to have a constructive debate.

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You’re assuming I was fine with Void Elves receiving normal skin tones. I was not, nor was I fine with the Horde receiving Nightborne or the Alliance getting Void Elves. But I learned to tolerate them as the compromises they are, particularly given that Void Elves very clearly aren’t standard Blood Elves (they bleed purple) and the use of normal tones on Void Elf NPCs, making it clear still transformed Elves are still Void Elves and not a vector for High Elves.

Secondly, I suspect Nightborne exist solely as Horde compensation to justify giving you Void Elves in the first place. Likely without the intent for a sub-race system, mentioned by Ion in 2014 during the WOD days, they’d have been normal Night Elves. Besides which, as you neglect to mention, Nightborne have been moved as far from Night Elves as possible in terms of theme and substance. Night Elves are wood dwelling forest elves who use nature magic, Nightborne are arcane using city dwellers. Void Elves similarly are as different from Blood/High Elves as it is possible to be whilst retaining a similar model. As stated previously, they bleed purple, have void racials and speak with a reverb.

The Pandaren example fails becasue, for the umpteenth time, they were conceived of and introduced as neutral and yet Blizzard cited faction diversity as the reason Alliance High Elves were not added in 2018. It is amazing to me that you keep citing a race that was created for wholly different circumstances as some kind of precedent when they later justified that Void Elves were created, and Alliance High Elves not added, for faction diversity reasons.

And I suspect I am that individual so blocked. So be it. The first sign of an echo chamber is when you construct one to block out what you don’t want to hear. You define ā€˜constructive debate’ as trying to find a ā€˜middle ground’ whilst the very core of your argument is how all the compromises made via Void Elves supposedly show the hypocrisy of my side of the argument. The hypocrisy is yours for your sheer greed. You are playing the middle ground right now. This very second, and there is no hypocrisy in saying ā€˜no, I don’t think you deserve any more than what you have’. The sheer entitlement of imagining the purpose of this discussion is to find a way to give you what you want considering what you already have.

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They both already have customization options.

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