Night Elves use, once again, arcane magic as the inclusion of the Highborne.
The pandaren example holds up perfectly as it is about the model.
I got a thought experiment for you, what would, according to your views be a solution to the request of the playerbase? Itâs always easy to say I donât want that or thatâs wrong, but when prompted with the question of a solution, even you will fall short on it.
Thatâs your personal opinion, which is hypocritical towards people who want more, you canât argue against that. You donât want others to have what you have, how would you define that.
You are building my argument for me, with each reply and sneer you provide.
Also notice how you lack support of people backing you up? If you were in the right, you had more support. I am presenting an objective view and I know arguing with you isnât a solution to anything as you donât want to give as much as an inch. Purely based on your âfaction prideâ which, may I add I have already adrressed. You are eager to only respond to snippets of a post rather than the whole context. Which is a lack of comprehensive reading skills on your end. So donât self-reflect your own imperfections onto me.
I also assume you will now be the second person Iâll add to that ignore list.
Good day ^^
Edit:
Hypocrisy Definition: behaviour that does not meet the moral standards or match the opinions that somebody claims to have.
It is a personal issue, but your post was predicated on a personal assumption, that I was fine with previous compromises when I was not.
The Highborne Night Elves use the arcane in the same way Warlocks in other societies are allowed to practice. With bare toleration and open prejudice. In the Wolfheart novel (set around the time of the Cataclysm) Maiev Shadowsong goes so far as to murder some of the returning Highborne, so strongly does she object to arcane magic users coming back to Teldrassil. In contrast the Nightborne are fully infused arcane elves, which is why they are somewhat physically transformed from Night Elves. Culturally they are as far from Night Elves as you can possibly get. This is, in other words, a false equivalence.
The Pandaren example does not hold up perfectly given Pandaren were introduced in 2012 and the reason Alliance High Elves were ruled out, and Void Elves created, was that Alliance High Elves compromised faction diversity. The first was a race created as neutral, the second was a variant of a race introduced as a core part of the Horde. As the Pandaren precede the rationale given for Void Elves, they are not a precedent. They are instead a product of their own circumstances.
As for the solution?
I thought that was obvious. I feel the solution has been implemented. You can play a Void Elf, with high elf approximate looks, and you can even roleplay as a former Alliance High Elf who has decided to become a Void Elf. As far as I am concerned every single angle is covered with a type of High Elf that is not a High Elf.
And not wanting others to have what I have is not hypocritical. Hypocritical would be me demanding Humans on the Horde whilst preaching faction diversity on retaining Blood Elf exclusivity. You seem to fundamentally misunderstand what hypocrisy is.
And forgive me but I place little stock in âfew people backing me upâ. I mean letâs get two things straight. Those seeking change will always be more vocal than those content with the status quo is a basic rule of thumb (which creates an echo chamber effect and leads you to believe your stance is more popular than it actually is) and secondly, the folks involved in this debate are a bit weird.
I mean come on, look at it objectively. Weâve spent over a decade arguing over fantasy elves. I am prepared to own the sheer weirdness of that but you canât argue this is normal or healthy to devote this much effort to getting your perfect version of a fantasy elf. I mean to say âI am getting more supportâ and to argue that some how proves youâve the better argument is akin to going to a train spotting convention and asking the crowd âwho thinks train spotting is awesome?!â. Please try for a little more sophistication than that, your arguments should stand or fall by their accord and not in getting the nod from the likeminded regulars.
Yeah itâs an important thing, if you get stabbed by a piercing weapon there is a clear spike of purple blood, even on those with normal skin tones. It proves the transformation is far more profound than just changing skin tones.
Obviously, should they succeed in getting their âcompromiseâ of removing void racials the next thing to do is going to be getting them to bleed red. Because itâs just a little thing then of course and we are all tyrants if we say no to this perfectly reasonable requestâŚ
Given what the developer apparently asked, mutilating Void Elves is realistically the only path left open to them. I still canât believe they found that a cause of celebration when if you think about it for more than a minute, that dev essentially ruled out High Elves this expansionâŚand if not this expansion, effectively never.
Doesnât require development resources and can be done client-side
Edit: And think about it. If Blizzard would be open to this god damn idea they would have done it long ago, donât you think? Would have been an easy âwinâ for them to do back in Shadowlands when their reputation was dragged through the dirt both in content creation and internal affairs.
No thatâs not simple, thatâs you getting what you want without consideration of why you didnât get it. The fact you label it as taunting is telling when they told you.
The race you want is a core Horde race. If you want to play that exact race, go there. Otherwise, play the 95% variant.
The reason they havenât done it is mired is dumb backwards decisions. Like their contempt for making pandren neutral.
Had they added High Elves, people would night instantly forget them not being playable was an issue. Especially since they have been a freaking part of the alliance in wow since freaking vanilla.
This entire issue is all their ownâs making. A literal damn non-issue.
Oh, god beware a developer having integrity to their design convictions.
Not everything needs to be âmade based on consumer wishesâ. Otherwise I would know so many games that would have to fundamentally change, just to appease me and my wants!
Interesting analogy. Then I wonder why said players still fall for that rotten bait?
Itâs incredibly simple. Blizzard have put zero effort to make races matter in WoW. Blizzard have also been pushing high elves in the alliance story about as much as they pushed blood elves for Horde.
Yet only one is playable because of some arbitrary rule about playable races, regarding another arbitrary rule about faction barriers. Both of which neither the devs or the narrative itself upholds.
No, they really havenât been pushing High Elves.
Alleria is a Void Elf, and Veressa gets screen time because she is Alleriaâs and Sylvanas sister.
And of course if the faction barriers donât matterâŚwell then, success! If the faction barriers donât matter then you should be happily able to play a Blood Elf.
Vanilla: 2 settlements.
TBC: one major settlement.
Wrath: Quarter of Dalaran
Cata: Vanilla round 2
MoP: More of the same faction from Wrath
WoD: (Nothing really happened here)
Legion: Even more of the silver convenant
BFA: high elf npcs in stormwind now, the portal master to the warfronts is high elf, the mages guarding the gun ship are high elfâŚ
Totally no presence
Their population are clearly larger than whatever the void elves got. Not to mention that they arenât even dropouts of silvermoon, They got their own places elsewhere.
But yeah, they got absolutely no presence in the gameâŚ
Warcraft has NEVER been accurate in its depictions of populations. Neither in books nor gameplay. Otherwise the Draenei would have gone extinct LONG AGO simply because they barely have children, in contrary to how many of their people perished in various events.
The original group with Velen that fled Argus was in the hundrets. And yet we have thousands of them ingame, scattered across various places, planets, etc.
One of those two lodges from vanilla has been destroyed,
TBC was six named Elves outnumbered by Humans, and one of them was spotted on Azeroth later implying he went home.
The Dalaran quarter was renamed in LegionâŚand then Dalaran itself got blown up.
MOP was the one time they had genuine relevanceâŚand that was from Dalaran which, as dicussed, has been blown up.
Legion was the same elvesâŚfrom DalaranâŚwhich was blown up.
There are a few High Elves in Stormwind. Always has been. Yet they are so rare you are able to list exist which ones you have found and that is hardly pushing them.
You also forgot to list their presence outside Orgrimmar at the conclusion of BFA. Three Elves and a Ballista, huge importanceâŚoh wait, it was the Silver Covenant. Dalaran again which got blown up.
And donât forget the Silver Covenant Mages in Dornogal fromâŚyep, Dalaran. Blown sky high.
You know the vast majority of those instances are the Silver Covenant Elves from Dalaran at different times. Which begs the question, if there are ten elves in five different locations at five different times, are there ten elves or fifty?
Overall, this is just absolutist headcanon again. Youâve invented a massive presence from the background appearance of the same group of Elves again and again.
A lot of the stuff in Warcraft appears like BS when you think for a bit longer about it.
Itâs tbh, the biggest flaw of this franchise. That it defies common logic in some places by not elaborating on it.
Like, how often have you seen a Bathtub in WoW in an NPCs home? Are they all bathing in local rivers? If so, the amount of infections would be insanely high in some areasâŚ
Donât forget that in TWW - the Allianceâs mage corps role is fulfilled by generic High Elven Mages. Who are not related to the Silver Covenant of Dalaran. Who are also present, along with non SC Kirin Tor Mages at that.
Theyâve featured and been paid more attention to by the developers than Gnomes by this point. But ofcourse, thereâs apparently no more High Elves around at all.
