High Elves in 12.1 💙

It would have been headcanon hadn’t there been a single high elf settlement left, or leas those that were had prison camps.

They are not, they were one of the major fighting forces under the alliance in Wrath and MoP and partook in the liberation of Suramar.

Precisely, the damn things rival gnomes in presence…

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Well, at least Gnomes got a proper cutscene in BfA and Legion each with Gelbin… I have yet to see one featuring Varessa (excluding upcoming Midnight).

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A hut is not a settlement. It’s a hut. It might be a nice hut, but it is still a hut.

Everything else you listed was either the handful of Elves we are already aware of who live in Stormwind and Dalaran survivors. I mean the same Elves were the ones who were seen in Wrath, MOP and Suramar and their home just literally got blown up.

As for the High Elf Magi there are three in the Alliance embassy…from Stormwind…in Dornogal.

Do you know how many Alliance High Elves are on the beach south of Dornogal along with the Alliance? This huge and important part of the Alliance?

There are zero. None on the boats either.

There are actually named Gnome NPCs on the beach alongside the Alliance forces there as well as Gnomish engineers. Funny how so called Alliance fans are so determined to put the boot into an actually playable Alliance race to justify this desire for a Horde race.

Are you seriously bringing up that it took a core race (playable from day one) nearly two decades to feature in a cinematic and in-game cutscene? As if that’s an own? Crazy, but thank you for faithfully self-goaling yourself.

While High Elves (unplayable btw) had dedicated patches and questlines in expansions ever since WotLK?

Beyond that, I’m not sure what point you’re making. Also, High Elves have featured in in-game cinematics in Legion (Alleria - before she became a Void Elf). And depending on your classification, the corpse that Xal’atath posesses is a High Elf’s features in the latest cinematic. So w/e.

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Exactly! Where are those bloody long beards for the Humans that should have been there since Classic?!

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I wouldn’t know nor would I care. I didn’t play WoW back then nor is that content relevant to anyone joining today. Blame Blizzard for that for not forcing players to level through each expansion at least once per account.

As for Alleria, she appears to my knowledge exclusively first time in WoW during the 7.3 Legion patch. The same patch that introduces Void Elves as a concept. The only major cutscene I remember with her was this (I also just checked, in only 1 cutscene prior she appears as a bystander). And in that patch she is specifically introduced as a future leader for them alongside Umbric.

Edit: And may I remind you, in that very patch, she ISN’T a leader or representative for the Quel’dorei remaining. She is fighting alongside the Army of Light. Nothing else.

Which is later cemented in BfA when they become an Allied Race. In the scenario for that, we the players literally witness how Lor’themar EXILES Alleria and all other Void Elves, no matter if present in the incident or not.

And speaking of Exile, the last time I checked the Draenei don’t see themselves as the same as the Man’ari Eredar, despite originating from the same species.

As a sidenote I want to mention, when I was looking up the stuff again on google, the google AI made up that Alleria was in the Broken Shore cinematic (which isn’t the case)… So as usual, take any AI responses while googling with caution and double-check.

I highly recommend that you read up on the scenario, if not play it. There were no Void Elves at that time. Umbric and his Magisters were already banished before Alleria’s return to Quel’thalas. Alleria then reaches out to Umbric exactly as they were having their mishap on Telogrus and subsequently saves them.

Once again, I fail to see connection? The Man’ari are Demons, and mutated into a variety of sub-species by the time of Legion. More pertinently, the Draenei have self-exiled and left Eredar with no intention of returning. The VElves’ dialogue ever since their addition shows that they still consider Quel’thalas as their homeland and intend on returning on their own terms.

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Maybe not Umbric and the others. But it was about gaining new powers for Alleria, under guidance from Locus-Walker if I remember right. The Patch 7.3 story of that area, I mean.

That I even have to explain it to you…

The Man’ari are literally infused with Fel, making them Demonic in the end (the main drawback of Fel magic).
The Void Elves are literally infused with Void, making them fight Insanity constantly (the main drawback of Void magic).
The Draenei were forced to leave Argus or become corrupted/die.
The Void Elves were forced to leave and stay away from Quel’thalas or be killed in turn.
In both cases, there wasn’t really a choice for either of them.

Those of the Draenei that still live from the time of before they left Argus, still consider Argus their homeworld, the place they originate from.
The Void Elves, despite being exiled, still view Quel’Thalas as their Home aka the place they originate from.

It’s not that complicated or abstract, man.

Sometimes I really feel as well like some users here do Mental Gymnastics that would break every cell in the brain.

My friend, please understand that there were no Void Elves until BfA’s pre-patch in the sense that you’re using the word. There was Alleria, and nobody else. You’re imagining things, so again, I’m asking you to read up on it. And Alleria did not describe herself as a Void Elf until BfA’s pre-patch.

The latter part you’re operating off of headcanon and imagination again. You’re likening interdimensional, immortal Demonic entities to Elves that tapped into the Void. And you’re right, the Draenei chose to break away from Argus and abandon mainstream Eredar society forever - and developed their culture around how they’re different off of that choice.

The Void Elves did no such thing. Their entire story arc has been about returning to High Home, and that they regard their exile as temporary. In BfA, Umbric hints at outing Quel’thalas’ government and bringing it back to the Alliance. In DF, TWW and Midnight, the VElf dialogue is less bellicose, and simply depicted as intending to return and safeguard the homeland. You’re comparing apples to oranges, and I’m not sure why.

Speaking of abstract thought exercises - do you still think there’s hundreds of thousands of RPers on Argent Dawn? :slight_smile:

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lightforged ride naaru …

I ask you then to re-read my comment.

“As a concept” means that the idea “exists”. It doesn’t mean that it has to be a literal presence for it to be the case.

The very same applies also in science, smarty. Where ideas exist “as a concept” but not “as a working prototype”.

Alleria was the first, establishing a new concept into the Lore of WoW. Later on, this concept was expanded upon and made an actual gameplay feature in form of the allied race.

She doesn’t have to because being the first with an unknown affliction usually means that it is a single-case thing. Not a communal thing.

If one person has a super rare sickness doesn’t mean that person will refer to itself as “one of those super rare conditioned people”.

You are literally ignoring that the Void drives one insane in a case of Anti-thesis to Life itself. That’s some next level of sugarcoating a horrible, interdimensional power that exists outside of the border of reality itself in the Warcraft universe. The Void Lords literally intent to twist said reality into a realm of eternal and ultimate torment.

Void and Fel in their power dynamics, intentions and problematic sides are not so different. Yet you make it sound like “Oh, the evil Fel! It must be destroyed. But Void? Nah, that’s fine!”

Edit: Please, go on and re-educate yourself.

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Void

Ok, you literally didn’t read Rise of the Horde. It is made very clear that they have no choice but to flee and yet you say “it was a choice”. Guess you will also say the people that fled conflicts in the area of Anatolia and co. had a choice. What choice? “Flee and live or stay and die”? :roll_eyes:

Having hopes that eventually dwindle as a splinter group isn’t exactly a “oh, they aren’t a unique race” point. That’s just politics. And we already established the only difference between Blood Elves and High Elves (also including the Void elves btw.) is POLITICAL DIFFERENCES…

You know what? The fact you bring up something that can’t even be proven by numbers by either of us, completely irrelevant to this topic, tells a lot about how your arguments run dry when you start grasping for straws with the intent to upset the other person arguing with you. Very mature (not!) :rofl:

Wouldn’t mind some of those for the blood elves as well, truth be told. It’s hard to pull off the wizened wizard elder look with a soul patch.

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The thing is, a long-beared Elf would probably look more Asian Grandmaster like than a Pandaren :rofl:

See: https://i.pinimg.com/736x/f8/8f/dd/f88fddf2c00d8cf3ba46906cf0b1d7ab.jpg

They would even have the fitting Hair Knot style for it.

A small price to pay, considering the chin straps and soul patches we’re dealing with right now. Wouldn’t object to some of those TBC era blood elf tattoos while we’re at it.

Void Elfs not have same hair options think If they could just give void elfs same hair options what blood elfs have we maybe (If stars are in correct line) can mke somekind progress in this high elf situation without that we have to see again another blood elf added as “new race” Yes i know name plate title still not say high elf but well im trying

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And Alleria isn’t even the same kind of Void Elf. She ate a naaru and turned into a purple flash light. Void elves ate a voidwalker and grew tentacles.

I hate it that i would really have loved void elves had they not been added as a monkeys paw regarding high elves. Just give players what they wanted to begin with, then give out those zany creations. Not the other way around…

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The problem still lies in the fact that High Elves are virtually identical to Blood Elves and outside their political allegiance (and even that’s not true for all of them, the lodge in Eastern Plaguelands remained Independent during Vanilla, though on good terms with the alliance). The only real differences they had went poof the moment Sunwell was restored. And since then the only real story presence was through Silver Covenant whenever Dalaran was included until Blizzard introduced Void Elves. This is a crux of the problem with High Elves at this point. And hell even in Classic+ whenever it happens. Within the existing lore the High Elves cannot exist as a separate playable race without taking away from Blood Elves the core Horde Race. Even in Classic+ if High Elves are made playable for the Alliance it will happen at the cost of Blood Elves not existing most likely. Because they’re ultimately the same race with the same history and Ultimately High Elves never built up anything past the fall of Quel’dalar to differentiate themselves.

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https://ibb.co/CpjfbXH6

Pretty much this. A demand to add the same race to the game a second time (third if you accept Void Elves are a TYPE of High Elf, which they are) probably isn’t going anywhere.

But if that developer tweet mentioned above is accurate then this argument is probably over. That dev wouldn’t be exhorting folks to raise their voices if Alliance High Elves were coming in Midnight (remember, Blizz plans years in advance and a new allied race would be a pretty big thing, particularly as a Horde equivalent would be required) and if they weren’t minded to do it for the big thalassian elf expansion (after Ion confirmed narrative is a big factor in their decisions) then the chances for afterwards have to be extraordinarily low.

No, the only way this happens is through ruining Void Elves with all that ‘let’s change the racials’ stuff. I thought about that and realised something.

Altering racials is a solution thought up by those who want to turn Void Elves into ersatz High Elves, you’d need a new system to do that though. But who else would that be for? What other race is clamouring for massive, identity shifting racial alterations?

None. Nobody. Only void elf roleplayers who want to pretend to be a High Elf want this system. No other race needs it. I can’t even imagine what practical purpose it serves to anyone else other than the people seeking to play a High Elf via their Void Elf. And the purpose? To bastardise Void Elves, deny the lore of the race they are actually playing and pretend to be something they aren’t.

As a separate allied race they are incredibly unlikely in light of all the information we have (and of course I have not seen the tweet in question, but I am taking it at face value as described by pro High Elf folk). But changing the racials on Void Elves, even as an option? They’ve not thought that one through either because they are demanding a system that would have to apply to all racials but only they are seeking such profound alterations to their own racials and not even for a good reason, just so they can roleplay they are something they aren’t.

There is no such thing like ugly slutmog, whats wrong in you?