Well, at least Gnomes got a proper cutscene in BfA and Legion each with Gelbin⌠I have yet to see one featuring Varessa (excluding upcoming Midnight).
A hut is not a settlement. Itâs a hut. It might be a nice hut, but it is still a hut.
Everything else you listed was either the handful of Elves we are already aware of who live in Stormwind and Dalaran survivors. I mean the same Elves were the ones who were seen in Wrath, MOP and Suramar and their home just literally got blown up.
As for the High Elf Magi there are three in the Alliance embassyâŚfrom StormwindâŚin Dornogal.
Do you know how many Alliance High Elves are on the beach south of Dornogal along with the Alliance? This huge and important part of the Alliance?
There are zero. None on the boats either.
There are actually named Gnome NPCs on the beach alongside the Alliance forces there as well as Gnomish engineers. Funny how so called Alliance fans are so determined to put the boot into an actually playable Alliance race to justify this desire for a Horde race.
Are you seriously bringing up that it took a core race (playable from day one) nearly two decades to feature in a cinematic and in-game cutscene? As if thatâs an own? Crazy, but thank you for faithfully self-goaling yourself.
While High Elves (unplayable btw) had dedicated patches and questlines in expansions ever since WotLK?
Beyond that, Iâm not sure what point youâre making. Also, High Elves have featured in in-game cinematics in Legion (Alleria - before she became a Void Elf). And depending on your classification, the corpse that Xalâatath posesses is a High Elfâs features in the latest cinematic. So w/e.
I wouldnât know nor would I care. I didnât play WoW back then nor is that content relevant to anyone joining today. Blame Blizzard for that for not forcing players to level through each expansion at least once per account.
As for Alleria, she appears to my knowledge exclusively first time in WoW during the 7.3 Legion patch. The same patch that introduces Void Elves as a concept. The only major cutscene I remember with her was this (I also just checked, in only 1 cutscene prior she appears as a bystander). And in that patch she is specifically introduced as a future leader for them alongside Umbric.
Edit: And may I remind you, in that very patch, she ISNâT a leader or representative for the Quelâdorei remaining. She is fighting alongside the Army of Light. Nothing else.
Which is later cemented in BfA when they become an Allied Race. In the scenario for that, we the players literally witness how Lorâthemar EXILES Alleria and all other Void Elves, no matter if present in the incident or not.
And speaking of Exile, the last time I checked the Draenei donât see themselves as the same as the Manâari Eredar, despite originating from the same species.
As a sidenote I want to mention, when I was looking up the stuff again on google, the google AI made up that Alleria was in the Broken Shore cinematic (which isnât the case)⌠So as usual, take any AI responses while googling with caution and double-check.
I highly recommend that you read up on the scenario, if not play it. There were no Void Elves at that time. Umbric and his Magisters were already banished before Alleriaâs return to Quelâthalas. Alleria then reaches out to Umbric exactly as they were having their mishap on Telogrus and subsequently saves them.
Once again, I fail to see connection? The Manâari are Demons, and mutated into a variety of sub-species by the time of Legion. More pertinently, the Draenei have self-exiled and left Eredar with no intention of returning. The VElvesâ dialogue ever since their addition shows that they still consider Quelâthalas as their homeland and intend on returning on their own terms.
Maybe not Umbric and the others. But it was about gaining new powers for Alleria, under guidance from Locus-Walker if I remember right. The Patch 7.3 story of that area, I mean.
That I even have to explain it to youâŚ
The Manâari are literally infused with Fel, making them Demonic in the end (the main drawback of Fel magic).
The Void Elves are literally infused with Void, making them fight Insanity constantly (the main drawback of Void magic).
The Draenei were forced to leave Argus or become corrupted/die.
The Void Elves were forced to leave and stay away from Quelâthalas or be killed in turn.
In both cases, there wasnât really a choice for either of them.
Those of the Draenei that still live from the time of before they left Argus, still consider Argus their homeworld, the place they originate from.
The Void Elves, despite being exiled, still view QuelâThalas as their Home aka the place they originate from.
Itâs not that complicated or abstract, man.
Sometimes I really feel as well like some users here do Mental Gymnastics that would break every cell in the brain.
My friend, please understand that there were no Void Elves until BfAâs pre-patch in the sense that youâre using the word. There was Alleria, and nobody else. Youâre imagining things, so again, Iâm asking you to read up on it. And Alleria did not describe herself as a Void Elf until BfAâs pre-patch.
The latter part youâre operating off of headcanon and imagination again. Youâre likening interdimensional, immortal Demonic entities to Elves that tapped into the Void. And youâre right, the Draenei chose to break away from Argus and abandon mainstream Eredar society forever - and developed their culture around how theyâre different off of that choice.
The Void Elves did no such thing. Their entire story arc has been about returning to High Home, and that they regard their exile as temporary. In BfA, Umbric hints at outing Quelâthalasâ government and bringing it back to the Alliance. In DF, TWW and Midnight, the VElf dialogue is less bellicose, and simply depicted as intending to return and safeguard the homeland. Youâre comparing apples to oranges, and Iâm not sure why.
Speaking of abstract thought exercises - do you still think thereâs hundreds of thousands of RPers on Argent Dawn?
âAs a conceptâ means that the idea âexistsâ. It doesnât mean that it has to be a literal presence for it to be the case.
The very same applies also in science, smarty. Where ideas exist âas a conceptâ but not âas a working prototypeâ.
Alleria was the first, establishing a new concept into the Lore of WoW. Later on, this concept was expanded upon and made an actual gameplay feature in form of the allied race.
She doesnât have to because being the first with an unknown affliction usually means that it is a single-case thing. Not a communal thing.
If one person has a super rare sickness doesnât mean that person will refer to itself as âone of those super rare conditioned peopleâ.
You are literally ignoring that the Void drives one insane in a case of Anti-thesis to Life itself. Thatâs some next level of sugarcoating a horrible, interdimensional power that exists outside of the border of reality itself in the Warcraft universe. The Void Lords literally intent to twist said reality into a realm of eternal and ultimate torment.
Void and Fel in their power dynamics, intentions and problematic sides are not so different. Yet you make it sound like âOh, the evil Fel! It must be destroyed. But Void? Nah, thatâs fine!â
Edit: Please, go on and re-educate yourself.
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Void
Ok, you literally didnât read Rise of the Horde. It is made very clear that they have no choice but to flee and yet you say âit was a choiceâ. Guess you will also say the people that fled conflicts in the area of Anatolia and co. had a choice. What choice? âFlee and live or stay and dieâ?
Having hopes that eventually dwindle as a splinter group isnât exactly a âoh, they arenât a unique raceâ point. Thatâs just politics. And we already established the only difference between Blood Elves and High Elves (also including the Void elves btw.) is POLITICAL DIFFERENCESâŚ
You know what? The fact you bring up something that canât even be proven by numbers by either of us, completely irrelevant to this topic, tells a lot about how your arguments run dry when you start grasping for straws with the intent to upset the other person arguing with you. Very mature (not!)
A small price to pay, considering the chin straps and soul patches weâre dealing with right now. Wouldnât object to some of those TBC era blood elf tattoos while weâre at it.
Void Elfs not have same hair options think If they could just give void elfs same hair options what blood elfs have we maybe (If stars are in correct line) can mke somekind progress in this high elf situation without that we have to see again another blood elf added as ânew raceâ Yes i know name plate title still not say high elf but well im trying
And Alleria isnât even the same kind of Void Elf. She ate a naaru and turned into a purple flash light. Void elves ate a voidwalker and grew tentacles.
I hate it that i would really have loved void elves had they not been added as a monkeys paw regarding high elves. Just give players what they wanted to begin with, then give out those zany creations. Not the other way aroundâŚ
The problem still lies in the fact that High Elves are virtually identical to Blood Elves and outside their political allegiance (and even thatâs not true for all of them, the lodge in Eastern Plaguelands remained Independent during Vanilla, though on good terms with the alliance). The only real differences they had went poof the moment Sunwell was restored. And since then the only real story presence was through Silver Covenant whenever Dalaran was included until Blizzard introduced Void Elves. This is a crux of the problem with High Elves at this point. And hell even in Classic+ whenever it happens. Within the existing lore the High Elves cannot exist as a separate playable race without taking away from Blood Elves the core Horde Race. Even in Classic+ if High Elves are made playable for the Alliance it will happen at the cost of Blood Elves not existing most likely. Because theyâre ultimately the same race with the same history and Ultimately High Elves never built up anything past the fall of Quelâdalar to differentiate themselves.
Pretty much this. A demand to add the same race to the game a second time (third if you accept Void Elves are a TYPE of High Elf, which they are) probably isnât going anywhere.
But if that developer tweet mentioned above is accurate then this argument is probably over. That dev wouldnât be exhorting folks to raise their voices if Alliance High Elves were coming in Midnight (remember, Blizz plans years in advance and a new allied race would be a pretty big thing, particularly as a Horde equivalent would be required) and if they werenât minded to do it for the big thalassian elf expansion (after Ion confirmed narrative is a big factor in their decisions) then the chances for afterwards have to be extraordinarily low.
No, the only way this happens is through ruining Void Elves with all that âletâs change the racialsâ stuff. I thought about that and realised something.
Altering racials is a solution thought up by those who want to turn Void Elves into ersatz High Elves, youâd need a new system to do that though. But who else would that be for? What other race is clamouring for massive, identity shifting racial alterations?
None. Nobody. Only void elf roleplayers who want to pretend to be a High Elf want this system. No other race needs it. I canât even imagine what practical purpose it serves to anyone else other than the people seeking to play a High Elf via their Void Elf. And the purpose? To bastardise Void Elves, deny the lore of the race they are actually playing and pretend to be something they arenât.
As a separate allied race they are incredibly unlikely in light of all the information we have (and of course I have not seen the tweet in question, but I am taking it at face value as described by pro High Elf folk). But changing the racials on Void Elves, even as an option? Theyâve not thought that one through either because they are demanding a system that would have to apply to all racials but only they are seeking such profound alterations to their own racials and not even for a good reason, just so they can roleplay they are something they arenât.