High Elves in 12.1 💙

[Sahaan-argent-dawn]

They could.

They haven’t.

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@Sahaan-argent-dawn

So far, those arguing for the High Elves here take absolutely zero consideration for what the story is for what they want the story to be.

That is the problem, as far as I’m concerned.

[Kiryanor-grim-batol]

@Livía-aerie-peak

And blizzard added even a general starting zone which even removes the need of unique place to start.

Yes which is used by Core Races as a choice because you can still do your general Starting Zone as any of them.

Again at this point High Elves don’t even meet the baseline requirements for the Allied Race. Even the least innovative ones like Highmountain Taurens and Dark Iron Dwarves have them down. They have the place that connects them as their Capital. They have a singular Leader unifying them. High Elves do not. The few that lives in Stormwind do not respond to Alleria or Varessa. Rangers if Quel’danil don’t do that either. Hell the destroyed Lodge in EP stayed independent from Alliance till the end.

That’s ignoring the fact that without their Beliefs they’re indistinguishable from their Horde Aligned kin. It’s like taking I dunno… Westfall Humans and Adding them to the Horde because they got Tired of Stormwind Failing them over and over again. Same look and anything.

You know what? I like that Idea /s

[Syelia-argent-dawn]

@Kiryanor-grim-batol

Again at this point High Elves don’t even meet the baseline requirements for the Allied Race. Even the least innovative ones like Highmountain Taurens and Dark Iron Dwarves have them down. They have the place that connects them as their Capital. They have a singular Leader unifying them. High Elves do not. The few that lives in Stormwind do not respond to Alleria or Varessa. Rangers if Quel’danil don’t do that either. Hell the destroyed Lodge in EP stayed independent from Alliance till the end.

Then it´s very convenient that allied races tend to come with unlock scenario that can be pretty transformative (the void elf one has us literally witness the race´s creation).
For example, a questline where the high elves meet up and pick a leader.

The idea that something is impossible because right now there´s not enough lore basis for it is kind of absurd given how, again, void elves literally didn´t exist before the patch they were unlocked in as a playable race.

[Sahaan-argent-dawn]

Nobody said it’s impossible.

They also clearly begin their message with “at this point”, because the whole argument being made here is against the idea that the strong proponents in this thread have been SLIGHTED for not having been given high elves based on the currently known and confirmed state of that fraction of individuals.

Absolutely, they could add it in the future. Thus making them highly relevant to be introduced in such a manner.

But the argument on this side is that that is not where we are right here, right now.

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@Sahaan-argent-dawn

What you DON’T say:

I -wish- the High Elves were more prominent, their story more central to support giving us High Elves as a Core or Allied Race.

[Arethias-argent-dawn]

@Livía-aerie-peak

They could still call Silvermoon a home without being allowed to go there.

Without dumping Midnight spoilers, I can say with some certainty that this isn’t the direction the HE narrative is headed.

[Kiryanor-grim-batol]

@Sahaan-argent-dawn

They also clearly begin their message with “at this point”, because the whole argument being made here is against the idea that the strong proponents in this thread have been SLIGHTED for not having been given high elves based on the currently known and confirmed state of that fraction of individuals.

There’s also the one problem I didn’t mention. The allied Races (outside of cases where their main part is Neutral) JOIN the specified Faction during the questline that unlocks them. That kinda doesn’t work for High Elves that supposedly are already and always have been (as described by some in the topic) part of the Alliance. So you’d basically need to retcon some parts or just handwave it. Would that satisfy Helf Fans? Probably for a while considering their race outside Silver Covenant rivals Gnomes and Pandaren in their impact and role.

[Linir-twisting-nether (Linir)]

@Rexfu-draenor

That might have been a valid point if you kept it to the main helf thread, but you don’t.

The devs don’t even come to the EU forums so your spamming does nothing but annoy everyone who isn’t in your delusional group of alts.

Again feel free to leave buddy. Bye!

[Kaeros-dentarg]

@Alfiriniel-silvermoon

On a personal level, I’m certain we’d get along well but an intriguing certainty, one might almost think you’ve already seen the data. Should your predictions hold true.

I appreciate your perspective, though I find the skepticism somewhat misplaced.
I’d prefer that we maintain a focus on the substance of the argument rather than personal remarks.

What personal attack, that is what happened. Eight years ago after Void Elves were added the same thing happened. People thought that if they kept asking for high Elves on the alliance them they’d get them i.e exactly what this dev on Twitter said. It never happened and here we are at at the expansion where it could have been justified in a narrative sense and no sign. My skepticism is based on nearly a decade of data in other words.

[Livía-aerie-peak (Livía)]

@Kiryanor-grim-batol

There’s also the one problem I didn’t mention. The allied Races (outside of cases where their main part is Neutral) JOIN the specified Faction during the questline that unlocks them. That kinda doesn’t work for High Elves that supposedly are already and always have been (as described by some in the topic) part of the Alliance. So you’d basically need to retcon some parts or just handwave it. Would that satisfy Helf Fans? Probably for a while considering their race outside Silver Covenant rivals Gnomes and Pandaren in their impact and role.

You’re being overly pedantic over things that do not matter in the slightest.

Think about it, how different would wow be with and without playable high elves for the alliance (not void elves, not blood elves). No fancy or epic intro, they’re just someone from somewhere.

Notice something? Nothing is changed from how the game currently is. Outside of players having yet another customisation option that already fits in the world, thanks to the repeated actions from the devs.

@Sahaan-argent-dawn

So far, those arguing for the High Elves here take absolutely zero consideration for what the story is for what they want the story to be.

That is the problem, as far as I’m concerned.

Sadly, one could argue that we’re taking more consideration for what the story is in game than the devs themselves. Which isn’t the first time, as seen with the redshirt guy.

And arguably, non-playable high elves are an entire ludonarrative dissonance in the game.

Again. Look at what they actually do with the game. Not what they say they are doing.

If someone waved at you, and said they didn’t wave at you. They still waved at you.

Fair enough, once might be a mistake. But in the case of high elves, they’ve repeatedly waved at us, in multiple expansion, even after adding void elves. And still continues to say they haven’t waved at us, or that it wasn’t a wave.

Edit: Oh god this the new ui sucks for managing quotes.

[Linir-twisting-nether (Linir)]

@Sahaan-argent-dawn

So far, those arguing for the High Elves here take absolutely zero consideration for what the story is for what they want the story to be.

That is the problem, as far as I’m concerned.

And this is completely incorrect. The request for an allied race has no impact on the meta story, and would just make playable a race already a core part of the alliance in the game narrative.

[Alfiriniel-silvermoon]

I apologize; I interpreted your comment as a personal criticism, which was my mistake.

[Sahaan-argent-dawn]

So present it, then.

Might I suggest with sources as I have done, present the confirmed undeniable proof that:

1. The high elves are no longer “all but extinct”

2. The high elves are no longer “physiologically the same race”

3. The high elves are no longer “considerably smaller population than even the Gnomeregan Exiles” and “are considered a fallen, all-but-extinct race.”

I will wait.

And I will point out that:

As a people, the high elves are all but extinct: the remnants of the remnants of a fallen race.[19] They cannot even truly be said to have a culture, only a past filled with glory and regret.[2] Though they are scattered all over the world, without common opinions, goals, or any official leader,[2] Ranger General Vereesa Windrunner founded the Silver Covenant, a militant faction of high elves affiliated with the Alliance in Dalaran City.

https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/High_elf

Meaning that their presence post the fall of Dalaran and in Dornogal is, as far as we’ve know from confirmed sources, information and sans speculation, filed under that incredibly small fraction of individuals.

As the Silver Covenant survivors in Dornogal are … [checks notes] … survivors from Dalaran. And as I’d argue not some delegation randomly appearing from a land far away suggesting they have a high elven kingdom all of their own, all on their lonesome.

[Livía-aerie-peak (Livía)]

So, you’re gaslighting yourself to believe the wave never happened. Because blizzard and some random book said so.

[Linir-twisting-nether (Linir)]

@Sahaan-argent-dawn

The high elves are no longer “all but extinct”

This goes into the population aspect of it. Again this can be disproved by the Void Elves, a small research group, the AU Mag’har orcs, the rest of a tribe, both Light Forged and normal dranei remnants of their race.

@Sahaan-argent-dawn

The high elves are no longer “physiologically the same race”

Depending how you interpret the fel use by the Blood Elves.

Even so political,ideological they are oposites and been represented as so.

3. Refer to my first answer.

[Sahaan-argent-dawn]

I had such high hopes for some kind of source. Your opinions and emotions don’t really hold up against the known and [so far] confirmed facts of the situation and subject.

[Linir-twisting-nether (Linir)]

Some kind of source? Don’t we play the same game? But you do seem to be cherry picking what’s convenient. Im presenting you well known facts.

If you want sources:

Play the start areas of those races.

[Kiryanor-grim-batol]

@Livía-aerie-peak

And arguably, non-playable high elves are an entire ludonarrative dissonance in the game.

Not necessarily. From the inception the High Elves were scattered. Of the two Existing Lodges only one was affiliated with the Alliance through their co-operation with Wildhammer Dwarves while the other remained Independent. Their numbers were often cited as less than that of the Gnomes and heading towards extinction. Not much has changed through TBC despite the rediscovery of Allerian Outpost which contained handful of 2nd War Veterans stranded in Outlands and in numbers of NPCs the Elves weren’t even a majority. TBC also introduced the remaining part of Elven Society in Blood Elves which as a means to survival had joined the Horde. It also ends by removing the core point of division between the two “factions” of Elven Society as restoration of the Sunwell rendered the whole Mana Tapping debacle moot.

From Wrath Onwards the High Elf “lore” and involvement was limited to the Silver Covenant who while Alliance Affiliated stood strictly within Dalaran and thus were forced to adhere to its Neutrality as shaky as it was.

Which in itself makes it a problem. If the Largest and most active group of High Elves is tied to a Neutral City State can they really be called Alliance Members?

[Sahaan-argent-dawn]

@Sahaan-argent-dawn

• The high elves are no longer “all but extinct”
• The high elves are no longer “physiologically the same race”
• The high elves are no longer “considerably smaller population than even the Gnomeregan Exiles” and “are considered a fallen, all-but-extinct race.”

The last known sources and confirmed lore regarding the high elves specify, among other things, that the following three points above are false.

https://warcraft.wiki.gg/ is considered THE source for World of Warcraft and its mythos.

Your supposed ideas are not found anywhere in the texts of the articles provided.

Do you disagree?

Is the article and thus the page, its sources and information wrong?

[Livía-aerie-peak (Livía)]

@Sahaan-argent-dawn

As the Silver Covenant survivors in Dornogal are … [checks notes] … survivors from Dalaran. And as I’d argue not some delegation randomly appearing from a land far away suggesting they have a high elven kingdom all of their own, all on their lonesome.

1. Nothing prevents playable high elves from starting in the point in time before Dalaran blows up.

   2. Blizzard have already established more high elves in the Alliance than those from dalaran/silver covenant. Such as those fighting in the 4th war under alliance.

   3. Blizzard, this new UI sucks!

[Linir-twisting-nether (Linir)]

Im not disputing low numbers im disputing your reasoning for them not to be playable because of it.