High Elves in 12.1 💙

[Kiryanor-grim-batol]

@Livía-aerie-peak

Blizzard have already established more high elves in the Alliance than those from dalaran/silver covenant. Such as those fighting in the 4th war under alliance.

And yet there was not a single High Elf on the Beach of the Isle of Dorn during the big arrival of the Horde and Alliance forces. Wonder where they all disappeared.

[Sahaan-argent-dawn]

I have never said such a thing.

I shall once more emphasize my argument.

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@Sahaan-argent-dawn

Nobody said it’s impossible.

They also clearly begin their message with “at this point”, because the whole argument being made here is against the idea that the strong proponents in this thread have been SLIGHTED for not having been given high elves based on the currently known and confirmed state of that fraction of individuals.

Absolutely, they could add it in the future. Thus making them highly relevant to be introduced in such a manner.

But the argument on this side is that that is not where we are right here, right now.

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@Sahaan-argent-dawn

What you DON’T say:

I -wish- the High Elves were more prominent, their story more central to support giving us High Elves as a Core or Allied Race.

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Now, I am still waiting for my answers.

@Sahaan-argent-dawn

The last known sources and confirmed lore regarding the high elves specify, among other things, that the following three points above are false.

https://warcraft.wiki.gg/ is considered THE source for World of Warcraft and its mythos.

Your supposed ideas are not found anywhere in the texts of the articles provided.

Do you disagree?

Is the article and thus the page, its sources and information wrong?

It’s a simple YES or NO answer, and I have been provided none.

[Livía-aerie-peak (Livía)]

Had you bothered to play wow you’d know the answer.

[Sahaan-argent-dawn]

What a well-rounded argument.

You can’t answer, because you’d need to reckon with the fact that you’re wrong. Because you can’t suggest the page is wrong or the information is wrong. Since it isn’t. Since it isn’t unreliable. And since you don’t have any material sources to speak of. The current state of the world, the lore and the information we have at present [while it can change in the future] provides no room for the high elves to be in any greater capacity.

Period.

I too hope this changes. As mentioned, I too have a beloved high elf character that I ‘have’ to play as a blood elf. Meanwhile, I’m also bloody grateful the customizations exist.

But this is the reality of the situation as it looks right now, as far as we know. Based on the confirmed sources and the confirmed information that we all share for this world.

[Alfiriniel-silvermoon]

The number dispute:

Void elves (or ren’dorei, “children of the Void” in Thalassian)[4] are a race of Void-infused elves affiliated with the Alliance. Their origins lie with a group of blood elves following Magister Umbric who were exiled from Silvermoon City because of their research into the Void.

https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Void_elf

The group people advocate for:

Most of the remaining “high” elves who had chosen to remain with the Alliance following the Second War did not return to their kingdom after the Third War.[9]

https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/High_elf#The_Third_War

The difference between both races:

When Grand Magister Rommath returned to Quel’Thalas to teach them Kael’s magic siphoning ways, some elves were disgusted by the practice and refused siphoning magic from living creatures. Unable to lead a divided nation, Regent Lord Lor’themar exiled the dissenters from the kingdom, the exiles finding residence in Quel’Lithien.[16]

For the remainder of the Elves please redirect again to:

The group people advocate for:

Most of the remaining “high” elves who had chosen to remain with the Alliance following the Second War did not return to their kingdom after the Third War.[9]

Edit: I’m doing this on my phone, so if the formating seems off, that’s why.

[Ангеланика-gordunni]

@Elcorynd-argent-dawn

You just proposed (again!) to add high elves as playable race.
And that’s when your job was done

My thread was created as a message to the developers from all High Elf fans - to remind them once again that we exist, that we’re still waiting, and that we still have hope

I have absolutely no interest in hearing from yet another hater or engaging in endless debates, repeating arguments and facts that have already been stated thousands of times

In the end, every discussion with you and people like you always boils down to the same thing: “You won’t get High Elves because I don’t want it”

But remember - High Elves don’t belong to the horde, and they definitely don’t belong to the haters with their dull, repetitive comments

[Sahaan-argent-dawn]

@Sahaan-argent-dawn

So far, those arguing for the High Elves here take absolutely zero consideration for what the story is for what they want the story to be.

That is the problem, as far as I’m concerned.

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What you DON’T say:

I -wish- the High Elves were more prominent, their story more central to support giving us High Elves as a Core or Allied Race.

What you DO say:

We are shocked and hurt that you haven’t added High Elves because of how important they’ve been historically and because we enjoy them so much.

Just checking real quick, that’s a NO on providing any sort of valid or mature response to the concern at hand then? Or how we’re suggesting this should be approached instead?

Even with sources, receipts and everything?

[Ангеланика-gordunni]

Why are you talking to yourself?

[Alfiriniel-silvermoon]

@Alfiriniel-silvermoon

The number dispute:

Void elves (or ren’dorei, “children of the Void” in Thalassian)[4] are a race of Void-infused elves affiliated with the Alliance. Their origins lie with a group of blood elves following Magister Umbric who were exiled from Silvermoon City because of their research into the Void.

https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Void_elf

The group people advocate for:

Most of the remaining “high” elves who had chosen to remain with the Alliance following the Second War did not return to their kingdom after the Third War.[9]

https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/High_elf#The_Third_War

The difference between both races:

When Grand Magister Rommath returned to Quel’Thalas to teach them Kael’s magic siphoning ways, some elves were disgusted by the practice and refused siphoning magic from living creatures. Unable to lead a divided nation, Regent Lord Lor’themar exiled the dissenters from the kingdom, the exiles finding residence in Quel’Lithien.[16]

For the remainder of the Elves please redirect again to:

The group people advocate for:

Most of the remaining “high” elves who had chosen to remain with the Alliance following the Second War did not return to their kingdom after the Third War.[9]

Edit: I’m doing this on my phone, so if the formating seems off, that’s why.

I’m confident they don’t require my help to complete their work; however, would you regard these as valid sources for a response, or have I perhaps misunderstood the questions?

[Livía-aerie-peak (Livía)]

He’s already made it clear that the only valid response is cherry picked statements from one book.

Not what’s actually presented in game.

[Kiryanor-grim-batol]

@Alfiriniel-silvermoon

The difference between both races:

When Grand Magister Rommath returned to Quel’Thalas to teach them Kael’s magic siphoning ways, some elves were disgusted by the practice and refused siphoning magic from living creatures. Unable to lead a divided nation, Regent Lord Lor’themar exiled the dissenters from the kingdom, the exiles finding residence in Quel’Lithien.[16]

You realize the difference became a moot point after TBC when the Sunwell Got restored? Because not even Blood Elves kept relying on Mana Tap.

Also Quel’Lithien Lodge is no more with only one known survivor. Well two but considering their leader became a rare mob to kill on EP I doubt he canonically lives. Reminder that the Lodge itself never joined the Alliance remaining Independent if Hostile to the Horde.

For the Renmants of Second War we can assume that included the priests and sorcerers that aided the Alliance during early stages of 3rd War as well as those that escaped with Jaina to Kalimdor and later settling in Theramore. Large portion of the former would die in the Fall of Lorderon and Theramore would fall victim to Mana Bomb.

Allerian Outpost we’re never given numbers and from NPC representation humans seemed to outnumber them by a bit.

[Kiryanor-grim-batol]

And What is presented in the game? Handful of NPC including in the recent expansion ZERO High Elves among the forces the Alliance sent to Isle of Dorn? But wait there are two High Elf Mages in the Stormwind Embassy in Dornagal. They must have a high and sustainable strong presence.

[Linir-twisting-nether (Linir)]

@Sahaan-argent-dawn

I have never said such a thing.

@Sahaan-argent-dawn

And I will point out that:

As a people, the high elves are all but extinct: the remnants of the remnants of a fallen race.

Cmon man, you just did.

[Alfiriniel-silvermoon]

@Alfiriniel-silvermoon

The group people advocate for:

Most of the remaining “high” elves who had chosen to remain with the Alliance following the Second War did not return to their kingdom after the Third War.[9]

A few high elves rejoined the Alliance in recent year

The high elves have never formally forgiven the blood elves for exiling them from Quel’Thalas. The rift between the two groups remains deep, though some individuals have reconciled or at least learned to coexist.

[Ангеланика-gordunni]

@Kiryanor-grim-batol

And What is presented in the game? Handful of NPC including in the recent expansion ZERO High Elves among the forces the Alliance sent to Isle of Dorn? But wait there are two High Elf Mages in the Stormwind Embassy in Dornagal. They must have a high and sustainable strong presence.

Of course, there could have been more High Elves, but most of them decided to become traitors and serve as servants to the orcs and trolls (those who had been exterminating their people for many years)

[Sahaan-argent-dawn]

Absolutely!

It does not however state, in any way, what those numbers are. There are no sources that in any way give us an indication of how few or how many the Void Elves are. They could be in the hundreds, or they could be … two dozen. Granted, this is a massive issue.

But narratively, this means there is enough headroom to make something.

The high elves are explicitly and repeatedly stated to be an extremely miniscule number.

I don’t think personally think the Void Elves are greater in number than the High Elves.

We just have zero idea what the actual numbers are. And high elves are described to be non-existent, a “failed race” etc. As I have provided the texts on over and over again now.

There is nothing in writing, no sources that can confirm to contradict what we have.

[Sahaan-argent-dawn]

Convenient of you to leave out the footnote in the text that reveals that that was a quote from the website. A source and link I also provided in the text, by the way.

@Sahaan-argent-dawn

As a people, the high elves are all but extinct: the remnants of the remnants of a fallen race.[19] They cannot even truly be said to have a culture, only a past filled with glory and regret.[2] Though they are scattered all over the world, without common opinions, goals, or any official leader,[2] Ranger General Vereesa Windrunner founded the Silver Covenant, a militant faction of high elves affiliated with the Alliance in Dalaran City.

https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/High_elf

[Alfiriniel-silvermoon]

BFA questline refers to Umbric and his followers as: “a small group of band of magisters and students”.

We also have no evidence of Void Elves actively recruiting to expand their ranks.

[Kaeros-dentarg]

Probably because that is the lore rationale for why they aren’t playable.

The real reason they aren’t playable of course is because they are indistinguishable in terms of looks, lore and culture from existing Blood Elves and they don’t want to share a core race of one faction to the other.

I mean the lore explanation is a fascinating debate but it is too often used to obscure the real gameplay reason it didn’t happen.

[Kaeros-dentarg]

We do. Priest Ennas is now a Void Elf and actively sought them out.

“Silvermoon betrayed its people the moment we joined hands with the Horde. That’s why I left. Better to be an outcast flung to the far reaches of space than to swallow the lies of the magisters.”