High Elves in 12.1 💙

[Starverse-argent-dawn]

@Amora-argent-dawn

or through Customization

That is already the case. They are already through that. You are crying about things you already have and that’s the whole point.

[Galahad-argent-dawn]

@Amora-argent-dawn

We’re literally encouraged to post about these things.

Not by making several threads. At that point it’s spam (which might go some way to explain why random poster stop by to dunk on it, eh?)

[Linir-twisting-nether (Linir)]

You should go and moderate the healer changes threads then.

Or the mounts related one. Or the druids related one.

I keep scrolling and oh man you are going to be busy.

[Galahad-argent-dawn]

Are you ok?

[Linir-twisting-nether (Linir)]

Fantastic, you? So nice when people care.

[Xyraxes-argent-dawn]

How else, do you reckon?

Also, with all due respect - people replying to these posts only drives engagement further, and pushes the thread right back up. I think it likely would’ve died out a day after being created were it not for some people showing up to make mean-spirited comments. So there’s a constant feedback loop.

I wasn’t aware of High Elven threads being a thing up until a month ago when I saw them being driven up. It worked for me, I suppose.

[Galahad-argent-dawn]

It actually was a genuine concern, you come across as instantly hostile. I do actually visit other threads.

[Linir-twisting-nether (Linir)]

And i appreciate you for it. I do to, but only the ones that interest me.

[Amora-argent-dawn]

@Kiryanor-grim-batol

@Amora-argent-dawn

You literally described a way how High Elves distinguish themselves from Blood elves.
For example, they deliberately avoid wearing red tones for this exact reason.

And they still get mistaken for one another because shockingly Blood Elves don’t wear red all the time. Hell Vareesa was on at least one occasion called a Blood Elf. Yes, the self styled Ranger General of the Silver Covenant was mistaken for her Horde Aligned kin.

So?

@Kiryanor-grim-batol

Why is it acceptable for Pandaren, Dracthyr and Earthen?

The order of things. Pandaren were and at their core remained a Neutral Race. It’s the individuals hailing from Wandering Isle that made their choice but it never Changed the stance of their “mainland” kin. Each and every Pandaren can return to their home and be welcomed there. At no point do the Pandaren try to exterminate the opposite side.

The same is even more true for Dracthyr and Earthen that open the diplomacy efforts with both races and as a general race never choose a side accepting the aid equally and not differentiating between their kin based on their individual choice. While we avoid the faction conflict for now it’s unlikely either Race would choose a side in the Conflict.

But this Logic can’t be applied to Thalassian Elves because there’s no Neutral Core. Silvermoon and Isle of Quel’dalar swore their allegiance to the Horde and the ‘exiles’ are not particularly welcomed there (although still allowed to make Pilgrimages to the Sunwell). You can’t just make it neutral and call it a day as that will become a problem if the new faction conflict ever arises (as unlikely as it is).

But you can’t also NOT give those things should High Elves become playable as that will be seen as demeaning and insulting to their status as true “Elves” (a notion we saw often shared in this topic and its sister one).

Ultimately as it stands I don’t believe High Elves in their current state have much legs to stand on as even an Allied Race much less a core one. And unless there’s something done they can’t even stand on their own without taking away from the existing Blood Elves.

Nothing that you’ve said makes much sense as an argument.

High Elves being playable as they exist in the game wouldn’t take away anything from Blood Elves. They deserve their own respective territories and stories.

[Galahad-argent-dawn]

@Xyraxes-argent-dawn

How else, do you reckon?

By making and maintaining just one thread? That’s just forum conduct?

I’ll leave you to it.

[Linir-twisting-nether (Linir)]

This thread was reported and the mods approved it to continue, if im not mistaken. You need to ask the OP. So it continues.

[Amora-argent-dawn]

@Galahad-argent-dawn

@Amora-argent-dawn

We’re literally encouraged to post about these things.

Not by making several threads. At that point it’s spam (which might go some way to explain why random poster stop by to dunk on it, eh?)

@Galahad-argent-dawn

@Xyraxes-argent-dawn

How else, do you reckon?

By making and maintaining just one thread? That’s just forum conduct?

I’ll leave you to it.

The thread is specifically about adding High Elves within the upcoming patches.
Threads can have similar standing points without being spam.

How about you stop acting like the forum police and do something else with your time.

[Kiryanor-grim-batol]

@Amora-argent-dawn

High Elves being playable as they exist in the game wouldn’t take away anything from Blood Elves. They deserve their own respective territories and stories.

But did in 25 years of WoW they actually receive them? No, no they didn’t. To this day High Elves failed to be anything more than a remnant of their race. To this day they failed in establishing a meaningful culture and society sticking to their isolated settlements and living among the humans dwelling on their past glory. After all this time they fail to accept that Silvermoon is no longer theirs.

The main group even carrying the High Elf Story is Vareesa and her Silver Covenant who despite their sympathy towards Alliance never officially joined it due to their ties with Dalaran (mainly due to their Leader’s marriage to long deceased Archmage of Dalaran) part of which they remained till it fell in TWW.

[Xyraxes-argent-dawn]

I think you’ve got it wrong though.

The Silver Covenant has always been part of the Alliance explicitly, and carried out millitary operations. And even Dalaran itself - per the dialogue between Khadgar and Jaina in TWW - remained Alliance all throughout the game. They just saw it reasonable to cooperate and play host with the Horde. The very same way that Silvermoon itself is accomodating the Alliance, in spite of not being fully neutral like say, the Argent Crusade.

[Kiryanor-grim-batol]

Oh I thought that they were only formed as a counterbalance to the Sunreavers (who were also made of Elves residing in Dalaran) and while maintaining sympathies with Alliance never truly joined it. Similarly to Quel’Lithien Lodge.

My sincerest apologies for that mistake

[Xyraxes-argent-dawn]

Partly true!

The Blood Elves represented by the Sunreavers returned roughly before WotLK, when Aethas brokered deals with the Kirin Tor and proved their worth. Which caused a part of the native High Elves of Dalaran to band under the banner of the Silver Covenant and push for limiting their presence - since their people had been exiled from Silvermoon before that.

But they’ve always been formed out of Alliance-aligned High Elves of Dalaran - which were militantly for Alliance intervention rather than toeing the Council’s line on staying out of the Faction War in WotLK.

Quel’lithien and Quel’danil on the contrary were High Elves part of Quel’thalas (Anasterian’s regime) - and thus never properly rejoined the Alliance until the Cataclysm for Quel’danil (and sadly never for Quel’lithien). But even in Classic, those two settlements were friendly to the Alliance and cooperated with it, while being targetted by the Horde.

[Kiryanor-grim-batol]

@Xyraxes-argent-dawn

since their people had been exiled from Silvermoon before that.

Not that they would ever admit to it.

To be fair I still find the Presence of High Elves in Dalaran funny considering that Garrithos in agreement with what remained of Council of Dalaran at the time planned to execute their Prince and few Thousands of their Kin there

[Ангеланика-gordunni]

@Gabriela-hyjal

I hope they will do their job and close high elves threads

Gabi as always in her own style

[Alfiriniel-silvermoon]

I have responded to that question a while ago. If you scroll up.

[Alfiriniel-silvermoon]

So according this this there is a difference other than political between the blood elves and high elves.

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