High Elves in 12.1 šŸ’™

That won’t happen either. Even if they wanted to, they made Void Elves and tied their own hands as a result. That really was for keeps.

Yeah I’m aware. Ultimately this was the only solution that made sense to me.

I thought we are not the same race as the HE fan club often say. And now you re asking for our haircut and stuff.

This is cultural appropriation

How dare you :dracthyr_hehe_animated:

At no point have you embodied this supposed virtue.

Ignored.

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I mean, which hair styles have the NPC’s in game? So yeah

:dracthyr_hehe_animated:

Fair enough, but I think the solution Blizzard went with is what we have. The only role I expect for Alliance High Elves in Midnight is narrative and limited. Veressa content is seen as High Elf, but her story never furthers the race, it always furthers someone elses.

Jaina and Dalaran.

Alleria and Sylvanas.

In 11.2.7 she is basically accompanying Arator as a prelude to HIS story.

You’re like the serpent from the Garden of Eden, trying to sow discord and confusion among the High Elves, to divide us and weaken us - but you will fail :snake:

High Elves are brothers and sisters who stand for each other, and we are not traitors (unlike the blood elves)

Vereesa’s gonna die and high elves will join the blood elves society for the elven reunification

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Well one thing Blizzard is consistent about is: if it gets a new model it’s staying around for a while.

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Oh?

Oh?

How dare you wish death upon our beautiful Queen? :angry_face_with_horns:

Vereesa will become a symbol of the return and unification of all the High Elves, and then we will liberate Silvermoon from the invaders and the horde’s oppression! :blue_heart:

So, about those sources? Is anyone willing to provide a link? A quoted text?

If it’s not just a wish for the race to be more relevant, if it’s not a wish that the official stance from Blizzard Entertainment should change from the past twenty years …

… Where is that information?

Until now I have been replied to—with no sources. No links or cited quotes. Constantly I’ve been flung excuses like ā€˜play the game’, ā€˜cry more’ etc. Or my links scrutinized and complained about with nothing provided in return, nor any links that would in any way contradict those that are considered latest, relevant and official. Are we in agreement Warcraft Wiki is the relevant site? Are we in agreement that the pages and the information written by its authors correct? Then what’s the problem? I have been provided a fel of a lot of opinions, not evidence-based facts.

I posit there’s a severe lack of any definitive proof or official sources in opposition.

Especially considering the compromise made for all of you in this corner in the last few years was the addition of the customizations options since Blizzard Entertainment themselves do not consider the High Elves to be viable as a fully playable race. And it is more than fine to disagree with that.

But it does not change the fact that they base this on the information in their game.


  • Where is the information that definitely debunks that the differences between the blood elves and high elves is no more than political? Can someone provide that evidence?

However, a fraction of the high elves refused to rename themselves blood elves, and while they are physiologically the same race, the difference is only political.[15]

https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/High_elf

Link it, cite it.


  • Where is the information that definitively debunks that the high elves don’t have a culture, common goals or an official leader? Can someone provide that evidence?

They cannot even truly be said to have a culture, only a past filled with glory and regret.[2] Though they are scattered all over the world, without common opinions, goals, or any official leader,[2]

https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/High_elf

Link it, cite it.


  • Where is the information that definitively debunks their population and numbers to suggest they’re all but an extinct race? Can someone provide that evidence?

In relation to the playable races, Blizzard has stated that the high elves have a considerably smaller population than even the Gnomeregan Exiles.[74] High elves are a rare sight even in Alliance lands,[123] and are considered a fallen, all-but-extinct race.[124]

https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/High_elf#Population

Link it, cite it.


If the argument isn’t that you love the idea of high elves and would love to see them be more than they currently are in World of Warcraft; that you wish they were given more room and you argue that they should be seen as a separate race from the blood elves …

… the argument has to be that such is already the case.

To which all of us are asking—where is that evidence? What makes that case?

  • Because Blizzard Entertainment, the Game Director and the writers don’t agree with you …

  • The authors at Warcraft Wiki [and other wikis, actually], the team and their contributors don’t agree with you …

  • And plenty people here and elsewhere don’t agree with you [because of the above] …

Where is the proof that suggest that you’re all not wanting, hoping, longing, wishing for high elves to be more than they are right now as per the latest and official sources?

The issue is that none of you are willing to admit to this.


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ā€œI don’t like something, so no one should have it and i hope it’s destroyedā€ā€¦

Also, Sahaan. Read more of that wiki than the notes from 2004-2008. As i said earlier, the contents of the game ended up contradicting the books before the book even released.

For more consistent references you should start from
https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/High_elf#World_of_Warcraft
And continue through the games content https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/High_elf#The_War_Within (though this part pretty much needs a bunch of links to wowhead and their related quests/npcs).

I would have loved to take blizzards writing seriously, but that’s not possible with the amount of flip-flopping they do.

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You are suggesting then [as I asked without getting a reply the other day] …

You’re saying that the presence of these characters in-game are not possibly gameplay related and that you know, without a shadow of a doubt in comparison to the last known and confirmed sources, that these contradict what the Warcraft Wiki page and its authors have put forth; what Blizzard Entertainment themselves has said recently? You are saying that the writing on the rest of that page without a shadow of a doubt flat out states and confirms that there is no doubt as to the state of the high elves on Azeroth, not that you’re inferring or speculating based on the presence of a handful of high elves characters in the story? Their appearances in recent expansions are not written nor referred to on that page to in any way contradict the latest official sources or their information as per the authors: if it did they would’ve edited the opening paragraphs or removed the section. They would’ve moved the information about their present situation to speculation and they wouldn’t have quoted the Game Director himself repeatedly from interviews on this issue. You’re arguably speculating. With solid reasoning! But speculating.

For clarity, I’m referring to the line the Game Director, developers and the team has followed and repeatedly stated when the customizations were added to the game.

High elves were widely speculated to have been a playable race choice for World of Warcraft, though Caydiem mentioned in a Blizzard lore post why this never occurred - the total high elf population being incredibly low.[74] The Horde would receive their biological equivalent, the blood elves, around this time. Although Blizzard has acknowledged player interest in high elves as a ā€œsub raceā€ of sorts, along with Mag’har orcs, Dark Iron dwarves, and other minor races,[212] they were not added in Battle for Azeroth as an Allied race. When asked about this, Ion Hazzikostas stated that high elves are essentially already playable as the blood elves on the Horde and that the void elves are also another flavor of high elves that are playable on the Alliance.[213]

https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/High_elf#Notes_and_trivia

The interviews and sources used by the authors are from 2005, 2018, 2020.

Are they too recent instead? Or is it AI? What’ll be the excuse to repel it this time?

What I am asking is whether you are saying that these are deliberate, unequivocal confirmed instances that prove that the high elves—in the present day story in World of Warcraft—are not just a faction with solely political differences with the blood elves; that proves they have a unique culture, common goals and an official leader; that contradicts that they are all but an extinct race. That it’s not speculation, it’s not just what seems to be.

That you disagree with the game’s direction, its writing or how they choose to develop their mythos is arguably very different from completely denying what the present situation is. If you were to suggest or argue that the writers are contradicting themselves by having the high elves be seen so prominently despite the latest and confirmed sources provided stating they shouldn’t be is in it self arguably very different from this denial.

But that is not what you, the OP or any the rest have said.

You’re saying their appearances are evidence and that we’re simply haters that do not understand what we’re talking about when we make arguments including sources, questions for clarification, including endless usage of ā€œI argueā€, ā€œAs far as I’m concernedā€, ā€œIt’s my opinion thatā€. You’re saying the sources are deprecated; no suggestions, no belief, no opinion, no argument. You’re somehow the leading authority, and simply know—we just have to get with the program.

Meanwhile, we’re out here saying we don’t know. And that that’s precisely the point.

Since we don’t know, you can’t know.

We don’t know, because the latest sources are all we have to go on.


I will emphasize again that:

  • I do not disagree that there is reason to believe the high elves might potentially be more widespread and less extinct than the latest sources said …
  • I do not disagree that recent appearances suggest they might have a bigger role or some form of society that the latest confirmed sources fail to support …

What I do disagree with is suggesting it is iron-clad and anything but speculation until such a time that a contemporary and equivalent official source is provided.


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Mate, you know nothing about High and Blood elves lore. You spread so wrong stuff in French Forum that we have already expose your failure.

Reading this, from you, it’s kind of ironical.

That’s because you know nothing at all, except your own headcanon.

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Do not provide any argument, it would be useful.

Go on expose me and I ll expose your false faith with arguments and sources.

Unlike you

Population size doesn’t matter when it comes to playable races. We don’t represent the race, we represent an individual.

While some races’ backstory is shaped by their nationality and being part of a large and organized group (see Humans, Dwarves, etc.), others are literally just framed as one or a handful of people going off on an adventure (Pandaren, and literally any character you start on Exile’s Reach).

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I agree, it why there are playable void elves. Ironically there are more playable void elves than lorewise npc void elves :dracthyr_hehe_animated:

but void elves are very different from blood elves

adding high elves ? why and especially how? Just copy/paste from blood elves?

If not copypaste, why these potential differences ? cause now HE and BE are litteraly the same, except politics.

And blizzard told about elven tribes reunification
There is more chance to see high elves come back in the sin dorei society than something else.

adding playable HE is not elven reunification its more spreading of elven tribes

just give the VE more silver covenant armor, mounts, customizations, even recolor of heritage armor with that silver tabard Veressa is wearing in Alpha.

Bruh, what kind of rhetoric is that you are vomitting? As if High Elf players are some suppressed minority in a political environment.

Truly hilarious. :rofl:

Sure. And add a glyph for Void Elves to suppress their void visuals. If it means shutting those impertinent children up…