High Elves in 12.1 💙

Stop responding to them please. This way you keep this topic alive instead of making sure it finally dies for good. Nothing is more annyoing then high elf fans.

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Lol you high elf fans are never happy are you? I swear the entitlement of being allowed int he government of Silvermoon is just rude beyond reconigtzion. Rommath and Halduron have no reasons to retire. So far they are alive and actually loyal to hteir faction. This thread alone prooves your demands where never about the race you like to play as but to turn Quel’thalas blue. This is peak trolling and Blizzard should remove it since it is obvious you don’t argue in good faith.

Actually, there is nothing inherently wrong with being a proponent for Alliance High Elves. Different strokes for different folks.

There is, however, something to be said for people who actively oppose new content being added merely to spite other players. Now that’s weird behaviour.

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And most posters do that here. They openly ask for the half of the Silvermoon government to die so their own favorites get their jobs. I have never seen any other fanbase do that just by the virtue that they deserve this to happen or something similar stupid.

Nobody asked for half of Silvermoon’s government to die off. Just that if we’re starting to fantasize about how the High/Void Elves are getting forcefully removed from Quel’thalas by the end of the expansion with 0 grounds and basis - we might as well speculate for the opposite too. It’s only fair. :slight_smile:

You yourself made a thread about how you really want Blizzard not to kill Rommath, sensing something coming a week or so back.

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Hard to say considering that for the most of her time Calia lived within Alliance Sphere of influence though had some ties with her now undead countryfolks. Her reanimation was also from my recollection carried by Anduin under the guidance if light which is why she’s so different from other Forsaken.

She is weird as her character was basically a footnote in W2 where she was I believe meant to be wed off with Deathwing (who at the time went under the alias of Lord Preston) and then disappeared from the lore entirely until she was dug up, organized the meeting between Forsaken and their living relatives and when Recognized almost led the coup which got her and every single undead killed of by Sylvanas who got paranoid when sudden “competition shown up”.

In the end she’s definitely on Baine’s level of friendship with Alliance.

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We need to eradicate all high elves then problem solved

No more high elves no more demand for playable HE

Surrender and be sin"dorei or kwiiiik :skull:

Fresh elf meat for Amanis

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It’s genuinely exhausting - there seems to be a dedicated few that are just there every time, twisting what is said into irrelevance, derailing the thread over and over.

And they do with such zeal. It’s bizarre.
Like yeah, everyone expects there to be trolls… but this is just borderline psychotic.

As if having playable High Elves is somehow going to blow the game up.
Like, god forbid it’ll make a large amount of people happy. Nope. Can’t have that.

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Her father was the leader of the Alliance of Lordaeron, of which the current Alliance is the continuation of. She was VERY Alliance so the parallel holds. It is also a template for how ‘elven reunification’ is probably going to happen, those who have Alliance sympathies maybe welcomed back so long as those sympathies are never again put above those of the Kingdom. I can’t see Calia ever acting against the Alliance, but her responsibility now is to her people.

And it was the Horde that defeated Kael’thas. But they came in under the auspices of the Shattered Sun Offensive, just as during Icecrown Citadel we came in under the auspices of the Argent Crusade.

And I don’t see how you detect flip-flopping.

Playable Alliance High Elves are pretty much off the table at this point. We essentially got that confirmed from the Blizzard developer everyone was so excited about last week, and he didn’t so much as kill the hope as bury the last embers of it.

What we have spent all day arguing over is your attempt to construct some sort of booby prize, where Quel’thalas becomes less Horde. Which isn’t happening. Alliance players may be able to visit the city from here on out, but I can visit Bel’Ameth. And it is for the same reason, just as I helped save Bel’Ameth, you help save Silvermoon. That courtesy doesn’t extend to the rest of our factions though, and when everyone else leaves Silvermoon, the Void Elves may get grace becuase they are still thalassian elves, not for any other reason.

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I’m super curious about this. Is it explicitely said Arator owns the Windrunner spire ? If that’s true, it’s awesome.

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I don’t believe forum activity changes anything. I never have.

There are the pro folks who great frustrated by having people pointing out the flaws in their approach who then say something like ‘thankyou for keeping the topic alive!’ as if that actually means something. It means nothing. If the topic ‘being kept alive’ were the sole metric Blizzard would have added Alliance High Elves years ago.

It’s simply a childish retort, a desperate attempt to weaponse opposition and turn it into a number as if all Blizzard moderators do is see the post count and assume everyone posting is in favour.

How ridiculous a notion is that. I assume Blizzard moderators and Blizzard developers actually read some of the responses. Or used to, as I said a few posts ago I think they tune the whole thing out now. Truth is they think they squared the circle with Void Elves.

So any time anyone says ‘thanks for keeping the topic alive’ I groan inwardly because it is among the dumbest things someone can say on any matter.

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Where do you get the energy to post so much nonsense?
You’re all over the place, and then when someone points out A you’re off to B, and on it goes.

Do you see it as your personal duty to spam helven threads?

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Do you see it as your personal duty to keep them alive? I think its a ridiculously selfish, narrow minded request and I very much hope (all but confirmed now) to get to the other side of Midnight with the thing being comprehensively buried at last but I’ll settle for the usual fudge where nothing is done with Alliance High Elves and you keep living in hope, as you have done for the past two decades.

No. You are doing this on purpose. You picked out Rommath because he dared not to be nice to the alliance leaders.

Do you have any Horde NPCs gaining a stake, long-term in Bel’ameth? Does the Horde set up a millitary port in Bel’ameth, and start occupying a village and a stronghold? Why are you so insistent on claiming that Bel’ameth is equivalent to Quel’thalas in any capacity?

That’s the way he operates. It’s always goal-post changing. When I first started using the forums about a month ago, he was adamant on how the High Elves are extinct and they will not be featuring in Midnight (I guess he didn’t play TWW?). Then, we get the info on Silverglade. So he flip-flopped to “They will all get kicked by the end of the expansion.”. Then more information comes out. And now it’s just “The High Elves will now go extinct because they’re returning to Quel’thalas and turning into Blood Elves.”

The guy’s rhetoric is pretty pathetic, but it does keep the thread alive, so…

Earnestly mean it.

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Yeah! He’s declared as the legitimate inheritor of Windrunner Spire. It’s very much his ‘land’ by that point.

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I just saw your last update. And there I thought we were having a reasonable discussion.

No, you changed but I saw it, so sod that then.

So let’s dispense with the niceties.

You are an adherent to a group of individuals who have cried for two decades because their absolutist headcanon has not been embraced by the developers. Who cry and whinge because ‘it would make us so happy’ and ‘its only a small little thing’.

Twenty years. A quarter of a Human lifespan.

And the best you are left with now is hoping that the story will allow you to claim that a few Void Elves and High Elves are allowed to live in Quel’thalas by the time this all over, maybe with the privilege of flying a little blue pennant outside their dwellings.

The Alliance High Elves ARE all but extinct. That is why the prospect of the few remaining going home isn’t an issue. Given that you seem convinced a hut, whether in Quel’Danil or Silverglade is all that is required for them, perhaps a hut off in the middle of Eversong will suffice for the few that remain.

But in reality this will probably end as it always does, with nothing being done, the few instances of their use being seized upon as evidence of some vast plan to add them or increase their importance, and you reduced to stitching together a reason as to why they are certainly coming in 13.0. Or 14.0

Or maybe 15.0.

Eventually right?

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How is it selfish?
Why can’t people be hopeful?

Do you see how twisted your idea of it all is?

Do you pride yourself on “destroying peoples hopes”? Take a step back and look at what you’re investing your time into, Mr. Hopebreaker, lol.

Maybe you’d be more successful if most of it wasn’t just pages and pages of nonsense that you retract as you please.

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Oh spare me the histrionics. It’s selfish because you want to take a core race of another faction and then pretend you’re the real article. And you denying it’s selfish doesn’t actually work because, well, you want it and you don’t want to admit it’s incredibly selfish. But that is a you issue.

As for your hopes I think Blizzard already did a good job of that when they added Void Elves.

Oh, and when they announced a thalassian elf expansion eight years after they added Void Elves, which led to eight years of complaining, and they didn’t add Alliance High Elves. I thought that was pretty effective at crushing hopes as well because if they were ever going to add them, that is when they would have added them.

It certainly crushed Moontears and he kept going longer than most of you.

I know now the big hope is that they are super secret patch day surprise for either 12.1 or 12.2 but we pretty much had that ruled out in the past week by our indiscreet developer who wouldn’t have told you to shout for races he would have had to have known were coming.

Also, how can I be ‘more successful’? I mean Alliance High Elves aren’t playable are they?

Were they added when I wasn’t looking?

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We never were having a reasonable discussion. With every post you make up, you’re changing the goal spot. So I’m sorry you feel offended by me calling your rhetoric quite lame. It feels as if I’m dealing with a LLM rather than a rational human being by this point.

I’m still perplexed by how you assume that conjuring up random analogies that have no bearing on the situation at hand will yield anything other than me calling it out.

I actually am not as warm to the addition of High Elves as a separate Allied Race, and think their addition would amplify an already, pre-existing problem that WoW currently has in terms of Allied Race bloat. Not because of any reason in particular, but I simply believe VElves and BElves would be better served as the beneficiaries of customizations. As well as all other pre-existing races for that matter.

I think the addition of Void Elves is far cooler than that of High Elves (especially now, since they’re getting some actual characterisation in Midnight and content dedicated to them), since it gives us, players, the ability to play into the TBC-era space-faring Elven vibes (albeit with Void instead of Fel) that died out in terms of narrative post-Sunwell. I even agree that a third Elven race might cannibalize aspects of the BElves and VElves.

But where we differ is that I don’t make it my life’s work to start counter-signalling every single thread started on High Elven customizations or playable race that people start, and would benefit and have their enjoyment of the game increased. Certainly not by using cherry-picked warcraft.wiki quotes and then blocking out any other warcraft.wiki sources that argue for the contrary.

To prove the point:

Quel’danil is contextualized and depicted as a full-blown settlement in out-of-game sources, complete with a functioning Arcane Sanctum, Dragonhawk hatcheries and many, many homes. So yeah, we can play out the “source quotes” part to prove one another incorrect.

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