can we just bring back disc/hpala meta ? pls
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Weren’t you the one who cried about disc priest a few months back, when they were meta? Also, hpala is still meta.
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no i wasnt ? lol
aaaaand disc isnt
agree, holy priest should be a Pve Spec
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What holy priest meta?
You playing on 1500 or something?
Everything above sewer MMR contains a Holy paladin
Holy priest is legit only better when playing with Rogue Mage
All you have is healing
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Okay I was mistaken, sorry about that. Just out of curiosity, what is it with Holy Priest that you find annoying/boring to play against?
I just cap my alts for elite transmogs and such, so no high ratings atm, but is hpriest actually meta? I see zero healing priests last 2 weeks. Its like a miracle to see anything but hpala. Occasionally I meet a monk or rshaman. Everything else is like a troll pick. This seems like the fabled caster meta, while I met literally zero caster lobbies in the past week or two. Barely any caster is there and if it happens, its mostly 0:6 or so for him.
Hpriest is more popular in non-meme rated brackets (meaning not in Shuffle) coz the way the spec works is not forgiving if you are healing baboons
It’s in a fairly good spot right now. But it isn’t better than any other healer spec except Disc
Hpal: God tier
All healers except Disc: balanced, playable, competitive with eachother
Disc: poop
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I have 3 disc priests, but it seems to be just unplayable in shuffle for like past 2+ weeks. I just dont have toolkit and healing output to keep ppl with zero clue, how to use def, alive. Every hpala against me, no matter how clueless, just rolls over my toolkit. So I tried holy, Im bad holy, ngl, but games, where its like 150k+ dps and me having zero def cds on my donuts, feel like I can just leave and save myself a torture. But yea, I can imagine it being good for cooperating gameplay.
Then stop torturing yourself with the meme bracket?
If you consider yourself a good healer player just go queue premades, problem solved instantly, everybody is looking for a healer
Healing shuffle is like being hired to babysit 4 babies and being paid with a tasteless sandwich afterwards
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https://check-pvp.fr/stats?bracket=3v3&rating=2200&class=5&spec=257
3vs3 is mostly hpala or holy priest currently and holy priest not just for rmp, in my reflex history in the last 20 matches at 2100 mmr, there were 14 holy priests.
actually if i sample more matches from the history theres still a ton of holy priests at this point we’re just intentionally ignoring the elephant in the room
hpri can heal way too much when it has the strongest cooldowns in the game and highly non negligible damage. whenever this spec can actually heal stuff and damp you its just boring to play against
inb4 rmp i play with disc, outlaw and assas on main so yeah
My problem is that I cant play every day the same time and such. Im not going to be a slave to a trash game maintained by probably the worst western corporation that doesnt deserve a dollar from us. Shuffle was supposed to be the redemption for ppl like me, who have limited time to play, because hours in lfg, playing with boosted donuts and another afking for hours just wasnt feasible. But scamzzard literally overdid themselves with how ridiculously bad they have made it and once DF presales ended, they put zero effort into it. Ive tried to play 3s again, but ppl just quit within week or two, becuase the game is simply trash. I just dont know if I should laugh or cry about what are we witnessing here.
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Understandable, but at some point u just start collecting DPSes that need a healer in ur friendlist like they are pokemons
In my opinion still beats healing the crayon-eating DPS in Shuffle
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It is basically cheating when it comes to CC with the Chastise allowing a free fear from rather far with very little counterplay other than using a preemptive Grounding/Fade/etc on the Chastise AND also having a way to dodge the fear, which is not a consistent strategy.
Also, Redeemer is absolutely, totally cheating for obvious reasons.
Chastise hitting up to 60k crits with instant 100k Holy Fire is a bit yawn too, the guy just presses instants AND ranged CC and greatly contributes to killing people while being a healer spec that doesn’t rely on damage, and still heals insanely high despite having access to this damage.
Yes, this post was written by a Disc enjoyer.
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I accept that hpriest is the raw healer spec, and my disc is a hybrid offensive spec.
I don’t mind that hpriest are doin 2x my heals, that makes sense.
I do mind hpriest having Chastise, doesn’t make much sense.
I do mind hpriest doing fairly competitive dmg, doesn’t make any sense.
Sidenote- Power Infusion was a spec definer for disc. When they looted this spell, they robbed this spec of its role.
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Holy priest was complete garbage in season 1, and Disc was S tier for most of it.
I can genuinely say Disc is more playable in this season when Holy is better than how much Holy was playable in S1 when Disc was better.
If anything, Disc struggles into other healer specs, not that much versus Holy itself.
Remember, Holy only has healing for you. Some people actually heavily dislike Holy’s burst healing, it causes defensive cd overlaps all the time. You Guardian >Serenity a guy for over 50% of his hp, great, but if the guy was really low you can’t blame him for pressing defensive cds.
It’s very spiky healing oftentimes and isn’t as fluent as say Resto Druid or Mistweaver keeping your HP bar topped off or steadily increasing it.
Disc on the other hand has a completely opposite issue - it has no healing. Sure, it has good defensives, but at the same time, the real enemy of Disc is Holy Paladin, not Holy Priest.
Holy Paladin has just as good defensives as Disc(arguably much better ones into melees and teams with no purge), and just as good healing as Holy priest (if not better even).
The meta has been heavily shifted towards being afk on a pillar and healbotting over doing anything else.
Disc is probably the hardest healer to balance due to the awkward way it works.
You can’t buff the damage too much, because then you have complaints about doing too much damage. Remember Season 1 Disc in 2v2? It would literally outdamage its DPS some games and solo you.
You can’t buff the raw non-atonement healing too much, because then you kind of defeat the purpose of how Disc should heal - which is with atonement.
In my opinion it just requires more buttons, possibly more utility-situational abilities which would be unique to it. Could make Dark Archangel a baseline Disc talent by adding it to Shadow covenant or something.
No mention how hpriest hard counters affliction, ele and balance?
Obviously biased here, but double dispel seems wildly op
Pls stop arguing factually incorrect nonsense for the sake of everyone’s sanity.
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Disc does the same thing, it also has a double dispel talent and fade
ok what damage reducing defensive cd can a Holy priest provide u? a sac? a PS? earthen? time dialation? lol
‘All you have is healing’
- Forgets Guardian Spirit you can use while stunned, saving the use of your trinket and increasing the healing taken for the target.
- Forgets Ray of Hope (both on low CD’s btw)
- Forgets Spirit of the Redeemer to counter dot classes with no punishment and the only way it can be outplayed is by the Holy Priests’ own teammates.
- Forgets Chastise - Fade/Phase Shift- Fear on low CD’s to be pretty much guarantee CC unless the enemy team pre-emptively uses a Chastise counter.
- Forgets Fade/Phase Shift and that you can have the ability to avoid CC and negate your damage taken every 20 seconds
- Forgets Void Shift
-Etc.
Sure is a lot of a utility for a spec where ‘all you have is healing’. Maybe start using your utility better and you might just get:
Hope this helps.